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re: Is The Economy really bad?

Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:22 am to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:22 am to
Are we now at the point in the discussion where $130K in salary is not enough to buy a baseball glove
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:28 am to
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Are we now at the point in the discussion where $130K in salary is not enough to buy a baseball glove


Of course you can, at that income level you couldn’t just walk in to the store and buy it and not have to think about how it affects your finances, which again sucks
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:30 am to
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You don’t know that is true, and I would be VERY skeptical about it in today’s market with today’s rate. Your attitude is how a lot of people absolutely lost their arse in 2008. You’re using your personal experience in TOTALLY different market conditions to influence your decisions today.



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You used an incredibly low interest rate at prices that were less in real dollars to level up your home. Young people don’t have that opportunity today.


My interest rate on my first house was 5%. My second home was about the same. It wasn't until the crazy 2021(?) rate drop that I got a rate significantly less than the current rate. Our current build is just 1.75% higher than my starter. Getting a 1.75% lower rate 10 years ago does not make me the poster child.

Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:31 am to
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the poor are struggling with inflation


Well they could save a fortune if they quit smoking bc that NEVER seems to be considered
Posted by Whitey83
Member since Aug 2025
214 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:42 am to
Why exactly should someone spend their entire life slaving away to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a home that they can't take with them when they die?

Here's the thing, no one actually owns anything. You're borrowing it while you're alive. I guess if it makes you feel better to pay a mortgage instead of a rent, then whatever. By the time it's paid for you won't have much time left here...
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 11:42 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25969 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:38 pm to
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And you were making a lot of money. I truly don’t see how two teachers, for example, do it today. You’re likely maxing out at somewhere around $130k household

Teachers make more than you think, at least in major cities like Atlanta.
They start, zero experience, over 60. They max out at around 90.

With a Masters it’s 68-102.

So two teachers, age 22, are 120k household income.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:39 pm to
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Well they could save a fortune if they quit smoking bc that NEVER seems to be considered


people still smoke?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10780 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:45 pm to
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people still smoke?


People blow the hell out of a vape.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7987 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:51 pm to
Yes the 50+ year old, career welfare recipients didn’t quit bc the kids are vaping instead
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 12:53 pm to
No, we can't afford to smoke AND buy starbucks 8 times a day.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10780 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:00 pm to
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At roughly $138K in today's salary, I was living much better in the mid-90's than than those, that I personally know do today. Anecdotal, I know but if you do not think things are harder for kids these days, you are asleep at the wheel.


This is one of the big fallacies y'all constantly fall for.

You compare everything to the 90s.

The 90s was an outlier decade. It was by far the easiest financial decade of my lifetime (born in 1970).

In 1980 the median home price for an existing home was $47,000 and the median family income was $21,000.

By 1989 it was $120,000 but the median family income only went up to $28,000.

That means that adjusting for inflation, the median home price in America almost doubled in that decade, but median family income adjusted for inflation went DOWN by over 10%.

AND interest rates got as high as a little over 18% during the 80s.

AND the average home was 40% smaller than today's average home.

So it's not only comparable to now (the median home price for existing homes has basically doubled since 2015 and the median family income went from $56,500 to $78,770, which means that adjusted for inflation it stayed almost exactly the same), but with interest rates that high it was worse back then. Kind of by a lot.

I post this stuff over and over again and it goes right in one ear and out the other.

Gen Z thinks they are the most put-upon generation to ever zip up their pants in the morning and objectively speaking it's simply not true. Math is undefeated. USe Google and do some simple math.

Does Gen Z have it as easy as the generation that was their age in the 90s?

No. But nobody does or ever has. The 90s is the outlier decade.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136399 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:08 pm to
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at that income level you couldn’t just walk in to the store and buy it and not have to think about how it affects your finances, which again sucks


If you make $130K a year, and you are breaking out a spreadsheet to decide if you can buy your kid a baseball glove, you are way overspending in other areas of your life.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37400 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:11 pm to
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Gen Z thinks they are the most put-upon generation to ever zip up their pants in the morning and objectively speaking it's simply not true.


It actually is true unless there’s economic prosperity like the 90s in our near future. Based on the direction of the country do you see that happening?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37400 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:12 pm to
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If you make $130K a year, and you are breaking out a spreadsheet to decide if you can buy your kid a baseball glove, you are way overspending in other areas of your life.


Or you’re trying to be financially responsible and would like to retire at some point. Shits expensive. If your goal is to save $750 a month cash after your expenses and your kid wants a $200 baseball glove, that matters
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:15 pm to
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If your goal is to save $750 a month cash after your expenses and your kid wants a $200 baseball glove, that matters


I thought this was insane so I popped over to dicks and just saw that rawlings and wilson gloves are 200-350 a pop wtfffff
Posted by Mobile Patriot
Mobile
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 1:20 pm to
Depends on the effort you're willing to put in. I know a black dude thats on his way to being a multimillionaire. He learned how to clean carpets on YouTube. 10 years later he does hardwood floors exclusively and has a 6 man crew with 3 vans. His average job is 15K and he does 5 a week.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6138 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:12 pm to
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Damn that’s expensive.


I think that's pretty standard around here, how much is it where you live.

Protecting an asset for 1% of its value seems reasonable.

I do think coming the pike there will be separate roof polices that will have high deductibles and/or only cover a percentage of the replacement costs. USAA has not done that yet.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40364 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:25 pm to
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I think that's pretty standard around here, how much is it where you live.




I pay about 5500 and my dwelling is about 700k in south louisiana.

Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6138 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:28 pm to
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I pay about 5500 and my dwelling is about 700k in south louisiana.



I read, on this board, a lot of insurers are leaving S LA. Is that factual?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40364 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:52 pm to
They are. USAA wasn't writing when we got our policy. I'm not sure if SF was either.

I was floored when I got my quoted premium. Thought it was going to be double at least.

If I was forced to go with LA Citizens (insurer of last resort through the state) my premium would be like 18k.
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