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re: Is the earth flat?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:55 pm to Gaggle
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:55 pm to Gaggle
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If we put a spotlight far away in a giant field and sent a baseball on a huge orbit round it, you would see varying perfect phases of half, crescent and gibbous baseball, while still being able to observe the lit side of the baseball in detail without light blinding you. Crazy crazy.
Well using your own model, the baseball is orbiting around the globe, but is this baseball rotating itself while completing it's orbit?
Remember we've already observed planets rotating with Jupiter. Are you claiming that Venus doesn't rotate, despite us being able to visibly see it?
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:56 pm to Gaggle
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We can't see the poles from our spot on earth nor can we see the stars all day.
If you can see Polaris you can see the northern celestial pole.
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How can they appear that way? They don't, someone told you that. You fricking moron.
Just take a 1 hour exposure picture centered on the northern celestial pole or Polaris if you just want to be lazy as it is close enough. Guess what you will see the stars will move relative to the pole roughly 15 degrees. In 24 hours that gives you roughly 360 degrees. This happens every single sidereal day. A sidereal day is 23.9344696 h long if you do the simple math you will see the stars rotate roughly 366 times in 365 days which is why we see the stars shift throughout the year.
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I'm older, smarter, and more experienced than you in real life.
You have no idea how bold that statement actually is.
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I've looked at the stars more than you and talked about it in this thread.
Yet, you have never noticed they rotate around the celestial pole once a day, not the once a year you opined.
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I used to talk like you, then I looked at them more (and was more critical and had a higher IQ)
But yet again you never saw the simple fact the stars rotate around the celestial poles once a day. We are talking about a simple observable fact that only takes a short amount of time to see.
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You parroted something that literally can not be seen from your backyard and then tried to pretend we can see it ourselves and just haven't experienced it like you. What the frick are you talking about?
If you have never seen the stars rotate around the celestial pole over a few hours at night then I can't help you. My two specific points in this thread have been about simple observable facts. The rotation of the stars is so easy to see it is mind-boggling you deny it. You don't know how to take an L on this but just go out tonight and look up over 3-4 hours and you will see a 45-60 degree shift around Polaris in that time. It is that simple.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:56 pm to htcthc321
quote:Sure.
Well using your own model, the baseball is orbiting around the globe, but is this baseball rotating itself while completing it's orbit?
quote:No.
Remember we've already observed planets rotating with Jupiter. Are you claiming that Venus doesn't rotate, despite us being able to visibly see it?
I'm asking you to explain the phases. It rotates around the sun fast is not an explanation for why part of it goes dark. Not one that can be tested or conceptualized.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:59 pm to Obtuse1
There is no celestial pole. That's just your name for Polaris. You call it that so you can assume it's the center rotational axis of earth. The issue is that it's not. They rotate around Polaris which is observable, we agree.
They do not rise and fall off our sky as the sun and moon do, why not? And they do not change over time, why not?
We rotate around the sun supposedly and the sun shines out stars or lack of sun reveals the stars. But the stars don't rotate in and out following the sun, they just fade in and rotate around a center. Why?
They do not rise and fall off our sky as the sun and moon do, why not? And they do not change over time, why not?
We rotate around the sun supposedly and the sun shines out stars or lack of sun reveals the stars. But the stars don't rotate in and out following the sun, they just fade in and rotate around a center. Why?
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:03 pm to Liberator
The stupidity of Liberator and Gaggle is hard to comprehend. I hope they are just bored trolls.
Either way they should not vote or reproduce ever.
Either way they should not vote or reproduce ever.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:07 pm to Grinder
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Obtuse1
He's all yours now
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:10 pm to Ross
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I just don’t understand how the bending of light through air would explain how two observers see everything moving in different directions.
That's ok. The world needs ditch diggers too.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:11 pm to Grinder
2 kids 
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:12 pm to Gaggle
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They do not rise and fall off our sky as the sun and moon do, why not?
The stars/constellations above/near our supposed “equator” most definitely do. Try again.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:14 pm to pankReb
It's actually awesome to know you're right and be attacked by the world that's much dumber than you. The truth is just a wonderful thing, it sets you free. I encourage everyone to question everything and go find it.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:15 pm to Gaggle
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There is no celestial pole.
If the stars rotate then they rotate around a point, most people call that the celestial pole. Polaris and the celestial pole do not currently line up (exactly) and I explained earlier how this shifts around a 23.5 degree circle every 25,800 years.
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The issue is that it's not. They rotate around Polaris which is observable, we agree.
No, they do not rotate around Polaris currently though it is very close. Will you admit now they rotate once a day with a single extra rotation once a year? You simply refuse to accept when you are dead wrong.
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They do not rise and fall off our sky as the sun and moon do, why not?
I am not exactly sure what you mean but there are plenty of stars that do move in and out of observation on a yearly basis. In areas where you have full horizon to horizon view there will be stars you can see part of the year and stars you can not. There are also stars that come in and out of view on a daily basis. Your flat earth model can be modified to account for all these simple observational facts but it has to get more and more complex and just like the Coriolis effect you can't figure out how to make it work quick enough so you simply discount that it is true.
Simple question: Do the stars rotate around "Polaris" every solar day or does it take a solar year to make a single rotation?
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:18 pm to Obtuse1
You continue to be a moron. It rotates DAILY and ANNUALLY in two patterns. They are not exclusive. fricking Google it. Go look at the sky yourself. You absolute ignorant moron.
No one disputes they rotate and change over a year you fricking idiot. It's common knowledge, it's the zodiac.
No one disputes they rotate and change over a year you fricking idiot. It's common knowledge, it's the zodiac.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:19 pm to Gaggle
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It's actually awesome to know you're right and be attacked by the world that's much dumber than you. The truth is just a wonderful thing, it sets you free. I encourage everyone to question everything and go find it.
It's fine. People lost their shite when they were first told the universe doesn't revolve around Earth. One day, they'll wake up.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:20 pm to TunaTrip
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:23 pm to pussywillows
That was part of the old narrative. That Columbus proved the earth was round. They don't say that anymore, they say everyone already knew. So why did they say that?
Anyone who grew up that time remembers. You were taught Columbus proved the earth was round. But that's not true. Why did they make up round earth propaganda and teach it to young children?
Anyone who grew up that time remembers. You were taught Columbus proved the earth was round. But that's not true. Why did they make up round earth propaganda and teach it to young children?
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:26 pm to Gaggle
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So why did they say that?
it's a fricking cartoon
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:28 pm to pussywillows
Cartoons are important. People actually believe the water flushes a different way in the southern hemisphere because of the Simpsons. But it's not true. People actually believe you can ping a laser off something the Apollo missions left on the moon, because of the show The Big Bang Theory. But that's not true either. That's how dumb we are, they make things up in tv shows and it truly works. Or just show a stupid flat earther and play a laugh track.
Why are they just making things up to reinforce these notions?
Why are they just making things up to reinforce these notions?
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:30 pm to Gaggle
I'm not reading through almost 30 pages, but have the flat earthers tried to explain lunar eclipses yet?
What about the fact that we can view LIVE webcams on every continent and every country on the globe and see how the sun and moon interact with a spherical earth for ourselves? Is the entirety of the internet all in on this lie? What about Alaska during their months of continual sunlight or darkness?
Have they tried to come up with any reason WHY to lie about this? Other than "the satanists want you to believe that your life is insignificant so they started this great conspiracy thousands of years ago to convince you we're floating through space on a spherical object instead of a flat one!"
Why couldn't the satanists convince us of the same whether the world were flat or spherical? Does it make a difference? What about the astronomers from hundreds of years ago that contributed to modern science, were they in on the lie too? Even the ones who considered themselves christians? What about those that didn't believe in our version of God, why would they lie to fool christians?
Your evidence coming from the bible was written long before we had the technology and terminology to actually observe our earth and solar system. Put yourself standing on a beach 2000+ years ago, you look down and see blue water and then look up and see blue skies. You don't think that maybe their rudimentary understanding of the earth and atmosphere led them to believe that the blue skies were water held back by some "firmament?" Isn't that the easiest explanation for the language in the bible, that they didn't understand how our atmosphere worked and assumed "the blue above being the same blue as the water below" meant there was water above us being held back by some firmament that God created?
You don't think that maybe the language used in the bible was simply a misunderstanding of how our atmosphere and space works, when that is BY FAR the easiest and most likely explanation? Instead, you believe that some grand conspiracy was cooked up hundreds (or thousands) of years ago in order to "trick" Christians into believing they're insignificant, and modern science is still going along with the scheme?
Please, one of you flat earthers explain this to me. All of it.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:32 pm to Gaggle
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You continue to be a moron. It rotates DAILY and ANNUALLY in two patterns. They are not exclusive. fricking Google it. Go look at the sky yourself. You absolute ignorant moron.
So now you are explaining back to me what I explained multiple times in the thread in much greater detail and pretending you are teaching me something after calling me wrong. BTW it is not two different patterns, it is one rotation every sidereal day which is roughly 1/365th longer than a solar day so the stars rotate 366 times around "Polaris" each year giving the impression I suppose of two different patterns.
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No one disputes they rotate and change over a year you fricking idiot. It's common knowledge, it's the zodiac.
But you disputed they rotate on a daily basis. I understood how they rotate and explained it in detail both the daily rotation and how the slightly shorter sidereal day added one rotation a year.
These things are common knowledge because as I pointed out and you tried to refute you can see it from most people's back yards. The sphere model of the earth predicts all of this perfectly the flat earth model has to get more and more complex to account for these observations and as of yet you haven't even attempted to explain them within the model.
Your attempts to deal with my line of questioning have been fumbling and poor. At one point I expected you to offer some (complex) mechanism to make them work with flat earth but you didn't even bother.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:34 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:Yes but roundies haven't. Explain how the shadow of earth creates a shadow on the moon if both are above the horizon. There have been lunar eclipses during the day.
, but have the flat earthers tried to explain lunar eclipses yet?
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Have they tried to come up with any reason WHY to lie about this? Other than "the satanists want you to believe that your life is insignificant so they started this great conspiracy thousands of years ago to convince you we're floating through space on a spherical object instead of a flat one!"
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Please, one of you flat earthers explain this to me. All of it.
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I'm not reading through 30 pages
Lol you need to be spoonfed by religious leaders.
Explain how we can see straight 50 miles over flat land or ocean when it should be curved 1667 feet out of our view.
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