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re: Is the 737Max the worst plane ever?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:27 am to meeple
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:27 am to meeple
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Son was talking about this bc as he knows someone that will be flying in Ospreys. What’s the issue with them?
Social media warriors think they know everything.
The design was ahead of its time. Basically the technology didn’t exist to make the design work. This resulted in a very extended development period when the airframe wasn’t reliable. That’s not the case anymore.
It’s the same thing with the F-35. Today, it’s a pretty badass platform.
If you read up on history of aircraft development, anytime you get a new concept the development period is always rocky. Just 50 years ago most of it was done in secret and what wasn’t didn’t have Facebook to worry about people posting clickbait articles written by people that don’t know shite about what they are talking about.
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:02 am to Kafka
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Is the crew diverse?
While the skills or lack thereof of the flight crew is a consideration, I’d be more concerned about wokeness and diversity as it relates to engineering, design, quality control, and meticulous assembly at Boeing Corp.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:11 am to Obtuse1
Dumb example, flew once
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:12 am to redstick13
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The narrow-body airliner Boeing 727 was the commercial jet with the highest number of fatal hull losses from 1959 to 2020, recording 56 accidents around the world. During this period, only one airplane type has reported fatal hull losses with fewer than one million accumulated departures, the Boeing 737 MAX
Interesting chart, but a bit misleading. About half the Boeing entries are Douglas airframes from prior to their merger.
As for Airbus, they barely had 200 aircraft in service worldwide by 1979, so their airframes both missed the difficult 1960's and '70's AND made their way into accident-prone 3rd world and freight service decades later than the tens of thousands of Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas hulls did.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:20 am to thelawnwranglers
Flew Aeroflot back in the USSR days. Talk about gripping the armrests the whole time.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:23 am to redstick13
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Boeing DC-8 Boeing DC-9
That graphic is complete shat baw! You need to take into consideration how many 737 were built over the years & flown around the world. It’s one of, if not the most popular narrow body ever built.
*Boeing never made the dc-9 & most certainly not the dc-8…..hence “DC” designed & built by Douglas aircraft which later became McDonnell Douglas. The dc-8 was a direct competitor to the Boeing 707.
The dc-9 later morphed into MD-80 etc. When Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas in late 90’s, the MD-80 became the 717 until they stopped building it.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:31 am to thelawnwranglers
Boeing has been caught taking shortcuts left and right. It's sad and terrifying knowing that they're one of the most purchased planes in the US for commercial travel and knowing you will more than likely need to fly on one to go someplace. Taking shortcuts with safety is not cool.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:31 am to NoBoDawg
The 717 is a great plane. They finally perfected the t tail design. Zero major incidents and zero fatalities.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:35 am to The Boat
Yes Sir it is. I guess Delta is the only American legacy carrier still flying them?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:40 am to NoBoDawg
Yeah Delta acquired them from Southwest after Southwest had all those AirTran 717s they didn’t want. Hawaiian flies them too.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:44 am to thelawnwranglers
The snakes on a plane aircraft
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:49 am to thelawnwranglers
I also had a flight cancelled on United. It was me.
I guess ultimately it was a good thing, but what a pain in the arse.
I guess ultimately it was a good thing, but what a pain in the arse.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:00 am to WB Davis
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Worst civilian jet currently in service is the Ilyushin Il-62 and it's not even close.
There might be some scary, poorly-maintained Il-62s out there, but apples-to-apples that thing is ten times the airplane the 737-MAX is.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:02 am to thelawnwranglers
I recently flew on a United flight that was a leased plane that looked like they pulled it out of an airplane graveyard.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:21 am to BradBallard
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People forget how common crashes were a few decades ago.
I’d be curious to know how the crashed statistics hash out when adjusting for the number of commercial flights today
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:24 am to thelawnwranglers
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Is the 737Max the worst plane ever?
Have you heard of the McDonnell Douglas DC-10? So bad that the FAA once banned it from operating in U.S. airspace and people were so apprehensive of it that airlines stopped ordering it and drove it out of production.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:29 am to thelawnwranglers
We as consumers have unbelievably high expectations of air travel. It’s pretty amazing that the air travel industry is able to bat close to 1.000 in safely getting folks from A to B and back.
Metal tube weighing tens of thousands of pounds holding 300+ lives traveling at 600mph at 30,000ft in the air…and we expect perfection every time.
Metal tube weighing tens of thousands of pounds holding 300+ lives traveling at 600mph at 30,000ft in the air…and we expect perfection every time.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:40 am to redstick13
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The narrow-body airliner Boeing 727 was the commercial jet with the highest number of fatal hull losses from 1959 to 2020, recording 56 accidents around the world.
What's the stats on the 727 being the most used plane at the time?
That's 56 crashes in a 61 year time period, and how many 727 flights were recorded in that 61 year time period? Still pretty good odds..
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:00 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:You’re shitting on jet blue but the company you chose to use has the worst plane of all time.
Had a United flight cancelled now I am riding a jet blue flight like an animal
Ok, buddy.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:14 am to thelawnwranglers
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Is the 737Max the worst plane ever?
The de Havilland Comet says hold my beer.
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