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re: Is Russia military the most underperforming military?

Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
4356 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:08 pm to
I don’t like this argument, without people realizing the OTHER major nation’s militaries.

China hasn’t done anything in the last many decades but run over and shoot its own people.

Germany hasn’t done anything since, well, you know. France, Spain, nada.
Britain has sent some contestants to help in the Middle East, nothing full bore since the Falklands

What other major military — aside from USA and Russia —- has gone into other countries and performed? India vs Pakistan? No.

China is flexing… but until it actually goes head to head against major opposition - we can’t simply say Russia underperforms. HELL, Chinas weapons they sent to Iran blow —- and we proved it.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79315 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 10:10 pm to
What was the last decisive American victory?

Only looking for a baseline.
This post was edited on 7/12/26 at 10:11 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85238 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 11:26 pm to
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I suppose that if your thread/point is that the Russians value human life less than we do

His point is that the Russian military underperforms. And I can’t argue.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98042 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 8:08 am to
Not that I'm a Russian apologist by any stretch, but it's Russia vs the developed world right now.

EU, USA have all given a boatload of $$ and weaponry to Ukraine to stop Russia and yet, Russia still controls Crimea.

Wouldn't exactly call this a fair fight.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17772 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 8:18 am to
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What was the last decisive American victory?


Iraq.
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
117270 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 8:28 am to
I often wonder, since they always throw out threats of nuclear war, if their nuclear weapons actually work. They have so much other military incompetence.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38494 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:50 am to

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My favorite example of Russian military incompetence comes from the 1904 Russo-Japanese war, when the Russian Navy fired on British fishing trawlers in the English Channel, thinking they were Japanese torpedo boats.


It didn't stop there. This is probably my favorite military campaign of all time from a comedic standpoint.

Three days after leaving port, they had already damaged several of their own coal ships by ramming them. Then, as mentioned, after being warned that Japanese torpedo boats might somehow be operating near Britain, they encountered a group of illuminated English fishing trawlers in the North Sea and opened fire. They sank one, damaged several others, killed two fishermen, wounded several more, and also managed to shoot their own cruiser. The nonexistent Japanese torpedo fleet escaped without casualties.

They then sailed away without helping the survivors and nearly brought the world’s dominant naval power into the war against them before they had even reached the Atlantic.

They managed to hook a telegraph cable at Tangier and, rather than take the time to free it, cut it, disconnecting the city from Europe. They continued to ram their own support ships while coaling. Because the fleet had nowhere to refuel, coal was stacked in cabins, passageways, gun decks, and toilets, making the ships slower, dirtier, top-heavy, and destroying the lungs of the crew. At one point, they missed the whole-arse continent of Africa and had to send a destroyer looking for a lighthouse so they could figure out where they were.

During gunnery practice, the admiral’s flagship recorded only one hit: the bridge of the ship towing the target.

At one point, a long-anticipated mail ship appeared carrying what the sailors hoped was mail from home. It contained the letters they themselves had previously mailed.

When they finally reached Madagascar, they learned that Port Arthur had already fallen and the fleet they were supposed to rescue had been destroyed. At this point, the mission had no purpose, so naturally Russia ordered them to continue and wait for reinforcements consisting largely of obsolete ships their own admiral had already rejected as unsuitable.

After seven months of incompetence, the exhausted, fouled, slow-moving fleet finally approached the Tsushima Strait, hoping to slip through undetected. Then one of its hospital ships inexplicably sailed in with its lights blazing, effectively announcing the fleet’s position to the Japanese like a floating porch light. The Japanese Navy, rested, faster, better trained, and already combat-experienced, followed the illuminated invitation and destroyed or captured almost the entire force, performing the maritime equivalent of taking a confused elderly driver’s keys away.

I would invite everyone to read up on this mission. It’s both tragic and one of the funniest things you’ll ever read.

Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38494 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 9:55 am to
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They lost the Russo-Japanese War because they went broke. There was an international Jewish banking conspiracy led by Jacob Schiff that denied them the money to pay for it.
Both countries were running out of money. Only one had also lost every major land and naval battle, surrendered Port Arthur, and delivered almost its entire navy to Japan for scrapping.

Bankers didn’t make Russia incompetent. They just helped Japan monetize it.
Posted by Obi Wan Ryobi
Member since Feb 2026
246 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 10:11 am to
I’ll never understand why Japan attacked the U.S. instead of simply hitting Russia from the other side when their “ally” Germany started Operation Barbarossa. They could have carved up Russia and met in Central Asia, giving both of them plenty of oil and a shared border.


Good thing they were morons.
Posted by Keith13
Member since Apr 2024
513 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 10:39 am to
It probably doesn't help that with every regime change you imprison or execute all the senior military leadership
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13194 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 1:18 pm to
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It probably doesn't help that with every regime change you imprison or execute all the senior military leadership


Stalin was brutal, and stupid, with this.

From AI, which matches well with Kotkin's biography of Stalin:

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Joseph Stalin purged the Red Army’s officer corps most intensely between June 1937 and November 1938. This targeted campaign, part of the broader Great Purge (or Great Terror), resulted in the arrest, imprisonment, or execution of an estimated 35,000 military personnel.The crackdown devastated the Soviet military's upper ranks, ultimately removing:

3 of 5 Marshals of the Soviet Union
13 of 15 army commanders
50 of 57 corps commanders
154 of 186 division commanders


Just lunacy.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103488 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 1:51 pm to
Russia is good at playing defense, offense not so much
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
62677 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 1:55 pm to

Russia has historically been a defensive military force
(artillery / infantry / dug in)

When attempting going on offense, they are not skilled.

Look at Stalingrad / Kursk

Beat the heck out of the German offense, then went on offense after destroying most of that offense.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105740 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 2:10 pm to
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I’ll never understand why Japan attacked the U.S. instead of simply hitting Russia from the other side when their “ally” Germany started Operation Barbarossa. They could have carved up Russia and met in Central Asia, giving both of them plenty of oil and a shared border.


Japan originally had its eye on the resources of Siberia and had a simmering border conflict with Russia in Manchuria starting in 1932. It boiled over into a shooting war in 1939 and Japan got its arse kicked. After that Japan turned its attention to the islands of the Pacific.

The Russian commander? Georgi Zhukov. Stalin's purge largely spared commanders in the Far East. Out of sight, our of mind.

Russia was also a major backer of China in its war with Japan. This was before Mao was a factor. Russia supported the Chinese nationalists with materiel and advisors. Fun fact: The inspiration for the Flying Tigers came from Soviet "volunteers" already flying in the Chinese air force

ETA to directly address your question, Russia had a spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge, masquerading as a German newspaper reporter. He was close to many Japanese military and civilian leaders. Sorge was able to alert his handlers that Japan had no intention of opening a second front against Russia based on its disastrous 1939 experience. Stalin was skeptical at first at first but eventually believed him and shifted reserves from. Siberia, enabling the winter counteroffensive of 1941-42
This post was edited on 7/13/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105740 posts
Posted on 7/13/26 at 7:08 pm to
Russia has some of the best scientists and engineers in the world. Where they struggle is in manufacturing. The Mig 25 was a cutting edge design for its time, with outstanding performance. When the US finally got its hands on one they found the avionics still used vacuum tubes and the engines would melt if run at full power for too long.
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