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re: Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:09 am to Zappas Stache
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:09 am to Zappas Stache
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Go to wealthy communities and the divorce rate is high but very little crime and the kids are highly educated and successful.
This is totally false.
Nothing destroys wealth or prevents families from building wealth more than divorce and broken families.
Youth violent crime rate is directly proportional to rate of single parent households, not poverty.
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:10 am to Slippy
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Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
No. Trashiness doesn't discriminate based on socioeconomic status.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:11 am to Salmon
Tell me your issue with it.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:20 am to jnethe1
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Tell me your issue with it.
First of all, bad decisions don't cause poverty. The vast majority of people that live in poverty were born into it. They didn't decide to be born in to poverty. And despite what many want to believe, growing up in poverty poses unique challenges to overcome that poverty. It's not impossible, and certainly bad decisions can keep someone in poverty, but it's not the cause of it. If it were, there'd be a ton more people in poverty in this country. Middle and upper class people generally have a safety net in place that insulates them from some effects of bad decisions. People in poverty do not have that same benefit.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:21 am to Slippy
Too lazy to google, but I’m pretty sure there are studies out there that show one of the best markers for not ending up in poverty is to finish high school and don’t have kids until you're married.
Life happens, but in the US, if you can do those two things, most people can end up living a decent life.
Life happens, but in the US, if you can do those two things, most people can end up living a decent life.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:23 am to Salmon
Poverty is most definitely strongly caused by bad decisions.
Government definitely incentives poor decisions like having kids out of wedlock, for one. Other incentives for bad decisions include section 8 vouchers, food stamps or tanf, and more.
Government definitely incentives poor decisions like having kids out of wedlock, for one. Other incentives for bad decisions include section 8 vouchers, food stamps or tanf, and more.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:30 am to The Spleen
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First of all, bad decisions don't cause poverty.
Lmao. What!
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The vast majority of people that live in poverty were born into it.
Yes. Take for example my family. Grew up in a household where my dad was starting a business from the ground up. We were not dirt poor, but we would definitely qualify as being in poverty. After many years of hard work and dedication, I’m proud to say my dad’s business has been very successful. What causes that success? Was it just randomness? Or was it due to good decisions?
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And despite what many want to believe, growing up in poverty poses unique challenges to overcome that poverty.
We live in America, so you can drop that crap at the door. There are no social classes that you are born into that you will have to stay in for the rest of your life. You can be anything you want here. You can have anything you want. It all depends upon the decisions you make.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:36 am to The Spleen
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Middle and upper class people generally have a safety net in place that insulates them from some effects of bad decisions.
Oh lord. Please tell me of this safety net.
And tell your opinion of safety nets in general, should there be any?
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People in poverty do not have that same benefit.
There is literally an entire portion of our government dedicated to safety nets for people in poverty.
In fact, 59% of our government spending is on these safety net programs.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:38 am to jnethe1
I can’t believe this thread is still going. As I pointed out last night, if poverty were the common denominator in every social problem then all those problems would have been far worse 120 years ago when the poverty rate in the US was close to 60% compared to under 12% today.
The common denominator in every major social problem today is rejection of the traditional Judeo-Christian values society was built on, coupled with the dissolution of the family structure in society.
I know many here don’t want to hear that answer because it means they’ll have to do some very uncomfortable soul searching. Nonetheless, it’s still the truth. Want to solve society’s problems? Stop throwing trillions of dollars at “poverty” as we’ve tried for the past 60+ years and instead return to what made this country great in the first place.
The common denominator in every major social problem today is rejection of the traditional Judeo-Christian values society was built on, coupled with the dissolution of the family structure in society.
I know many here don’t want to hear that answer because it means they’ll have to do some very uncomfortable soul searching. Nonetheless, it’s still the truth. Want to solve society’s problems? Stop throwing trillions of dollars at “poverty” as we’ve tried for the past 60+ years and instead return to what made this country great in the first place.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:39 am to jnethe1
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We were not dirt poor, but we would definitely qualify as being in poverty
So, by your own parameters it was a bad decision on your dad's part to start a business that plunged your family into poverty. But at the same time you argue it was a great decision because the business is now flourishing. You can't have it both ways.
Had you said bad decision can keep you in poverty, or bad decisions can plunge you into poverty, I would agree. It is not THE cause of poverty though.
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There are no social classes that you are born into that you will have to stay in for the rest of your life.
Never said there were. There are more barriers for people in poverty though. How easy is it to move from middle class to the upper class? It's pretty difficult and takes some luck along the way, along with hard work and dedication. One reason it is difficult are the barriers put in place by a system that often favors the wealthy. That's not to say those barriers can't be overcome, because they can. The same applies for someone trying to get out of poverty.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Lol at linking systematic racial oppression as evidence.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:40 am to jnethe1
quote:that’s just not true, at least not in the south
There are no social classes that you are born into that you will have to stay in for the rest of your life
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:43 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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A new study found that, in the last few decades, rich black kids have been more likely to go to prison than poor white kids.
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Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.”
Yeah, I don’t believe that study is accurate.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:43 am to TH03
are you saying systematic racial oppression is responsible for the stats, or laughing at the language used in the article?
Either way, the numbers are what they are.
Either way, the numbers are what they are.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:43 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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that’s just not true, at least not in the south
So I was born into poor family, yet now we are very wealthy.
Why is that?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:43 am to Darth_Vader
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The common denominator in every major social problem today is rejection of the traditional Judeo-Christian values society was built on, coupled with the dissolution of the family structure in society.
I know many here don’t want to hear that answer because it means they’ll have to do some very uncomfortable soul searching. Nonetheless, it’s still the truth. Want to solve society’s problems? Stop throwing trillions of dollars at “poverty” as we’ve tried for the past 60+ years and instead return to what made this country great in the first place.
This^
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:44 am to jnethe1
quote:that’s not social class
So I was born into poor family, yet now we are very wealth
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:45 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:45 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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There are no social classes that you are born into that you will have to stay in for the rest of your life
that’s just not true, at least not in the south
This isn’t true. I’m proof of that. And I know I’m nothing special.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:47 am to Darth_Vader
Again. Socioeconomic class and social class are not the same
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:50 am to Slippy
Bad choices trigger poverty, almost without fail. Poverty does not necessarily trigger bad choices.
Good choices trigger prosperity, almost without fail. Prosperity does not necessarily trigger good choices.
It is, to a degree, "cultural" - and varies. For example, in Japan, there is very little correlation between poverty and, particularly violent, criminal behavior as there is in the United States.
Good choices trigger prosperity, almost without fail. Prosperity does not necessarily trigger good choices.
It is, to a degree, "cultural" - and varies. For example, in Japan, there is very little correlation between poverty and, particularly violent, criminal behavior as there is in the United States.
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