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re: Is it logical to get married and not have kids?

Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:47 am to
Posted by DBU
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:47 am to
FFS some of you are stupid.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:50 am to
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Just the same, there are couples that would make great parents. That doesn't automatically mean that it's their responsibility as a couple to do so.


I agree with the majority of what you posted, but why do people keep saying this?

How can one have any idea how good of parents another couple would make? The simple fact that they don't want children is a testament to their desire to not want to raise children. That's a pretty big red flag.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:51 am to
Yes.

And I went to St Petersburg Russia last summer (that one required more planning)

Going to Brazil in a month. Maybe Belize as well.



Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:52 am to
yea, but on a whim with a 21yr old?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:53 am to
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why do you need to be married to have kids?


you don't need to be

just my opinion

I feel like it adds stability and core family values, which is important to success in life for children
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:54 am to
24-25ish. All diffrrent girls. So not exactly ten years younger. That part was a bit hyperbolic
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:54 am to
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I agree with the majority of what you posted, but why do people keep saying this? How can one have any idea how good of parents another couple would make? The simple fact that they don't want children is a testament to their desire to not want to raise children. That's a pretty big red flag.


Well I meant other than the fact that they don't want children, they possess many of the characteristics that good parents possess.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:55 am to
It's 2016. Family and stability do not exist.

Divorce. Indifeltity. Depression.Etc

Why do we keep believing such obvious societal lies?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:57 am to
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Family and stability do not exist.



I mean...they do as much as they always have

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Divorce. Indifeltity. Depression.Etc


nothing new

quote:

Why do we keep believing such obvious societal lies?


because I'm a sheep

why do you lie to strangers on the internet?

Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:00 am to
People don't realize how important that is. The studies are pretty incredible, and scary.

They say if your child grows up in a nuclear family their chances of being in the top 3rd in school performance increases dramatically.

Poverty, juvenile delinquency, propensity towards violence...all increase for children in broken homes.

And, just a small story. My wife and I a couple of years ago went to check out a daycare for my son. We were waiting and we saw a man dropping off his son with his backpack and a small duffle bag. I could overhear him telling his son he loves him and that he will see him next week.

When the dad left, the boy just sat down by the door and just cried. He was maybe 3 to 4 years old. It was heartbreaking.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:02 am to
do you pay for their trips or do they?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:02 am to
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FFS some of you are stupid.




Word.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:05 am to
I'm paying for this one. But I have more money now than ever before.

Last trips they paid for.

Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:07 am to
I think we have already established that you are winning at life, breh.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:07 am to
are we pretending broken homes only come about when a couple isnt married?
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:09 am to
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Yes.

And I went to St Petersburg Russia last summer (that one required more planning)

Going to Brazil in a month. Maybe Belize as well.


Big whoop. Something that came out of my dick will be able to read and do math one day. Now that shite's impressive. And I can still go to Russia and Brazil.

Not saying everyone should have kids at all. But the "freedom" aspect of it is very low on the "cons". Very few people will say they regret having children because they missed out on a vacation. Those that do should obviously never have had children, but I also suspect they are terrible human beings.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:10 am to
If you're living together with kids, and you're not married, then I see what you're saying. The children still have stability. It's just not very practical, though.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:11 am to
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are we pretending broken homes only come about when a couple isnt married?


no, of course not

but marriage legally makes it more difficult to break up a home

then there is also the perception value, which might be declining these day, but is still quite big deal in a lot of social circles

Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:14 am to
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Well I meant other than the fact that they don't want children, they possess many of the characteristics that good parents possess.



Until they drown their kids in a bathtub because they didn't want kids.



In all seriousness, trying to convince someone who doesn't want kids to have them seems really dangerous for the unborn children. It is essentially wishing children into a broken and unloving home. If you care at all about the well-being of children, you shouldn't want someone who doesn't want them to birth them. Bad parents come in many shapes and sizes. Just because the person isn't shitty enough to abuse a child doesn't mean they won't be a bad parent in some other aspect.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:16 am to
Reproduction is not impressive.

In fact, it's the opposite and very primitive. All animals reproduce.

We are the only beings capable of thinking beyond our primal urges; it's only rational to utilize that biological advantage.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 11:17 am
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