re: Is freemasonry a complete scam?

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Freemasonry declared war on the Catholic church centuries ago. frick em.

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There hasn't ever been a Freemason altar boy molestation cover up scandal

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Freemasonry declared war on the Catholic church centuries ago. frick em.


There hasn't ever been a Freemason altar boy molestation cover up scandal

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You guys are funny. You should be Shriners.

Seriously, my wife is Catholic and a Eucharistic minister. Her brother is in the K.C.s. Many of my friends are. I've helped them with fund raising events. I'm Baptist.

Times of old are exactly that. We all get along just fine now days. The Pope may not approve but we don't approve of the current Pope either.

It's a place for old guys to get away from their wives and drink. Leave them alone.

A Gideon, is he a ninja?

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A Gideon, is he a ninja?

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I don't know anything about them other than the bibles in motel rooms.

They might be a rogue branch of the Canadian mafia.

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Freemasonry declared war on the Catholic church centuries ago. frick em

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Maybe they were just trying to protect young kids from priests

My comment was from a Bill Hicks routine.

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Do y'all have different books of the Bible than I do? Are y'all Gideons? Who are the ******' Gideons? Ever met one? NO! Ever seen one? NO! But they're all over the ******' world puttin' Bibles in hotel rooms. Every hotel room- "This Bible was placed here by a Gideon" When?! I been here all day. I ain't seen s**t! I saw the housekeeper come and go. I saw the minibar guy come and go. I never laid eyes on a ******' Gideon. What are they- ninjas? Where are they? Where're they from? Gidea? What the f**k are these people? 

I'm gonna capture a Gideon. I'm gonna make that my hobby. I'm gonna call the front desk one day. "Yeah. I don't seem to have a Bible in my room." 

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Dandy Lion

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Hey dandeelyin.

I expected to see you look into this thread.

Now I expect you to show us how little you know about the subject.

Tell us all about "level" 33.

Masons love to connect themselves to people of power and importance regardless of how evil they may be. An example of this is found in Albert Mackey’s An Encyclopedia of Freemasonry where it states, “The legend of the craft in the Old Constitution refers to Nimrod as one of the founders of Masonry.”

Nimrod was the designer of the Tower of Babel. He was so evil that God came down and confounded the languages of the people to stop them from completing their pagan work, which was to build a tower (DOOR) that would reach Heaven. This was an attempt by man to reach Heaven his own way, when God had already provided a way through faith in the promised coming Redeemer.

The Tower of Babel under Nimrod was the original site of paganism! It was also the first rebellion against God after the flood and the beginning of the rebellion which continues until this present time! Revelation 17:5 states, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

This is the real and true roots of Masonry, but this is just the beginning of the evil connections. The Masons claim that the roots of Freemasonry can be traced back all of the way to Tubal-Cain in Genesis 4:22. He was the son of the first polygamist and the second murder recorded in the Bible and was the descendent of Cain (Adam and Eve’s first born).

Tubal-Cain was the first ever craftsman in brass and iron. He plays some significance in Freemasonry because in the 3rd degree Master Mason ritual, the secret password to advance further in the ritual is “Tubalcain.”

To briefly summarize this section, we can conclude that according to their own admission, the original Masons were all pagans, not children of Jehovah God. From Tubal-Cain to Nimrod and all of the way to Hiram Abiff of Tyre; not a one of these men were considered noble in the Eyes of God.

Masonry teaches the following 2 things about its God:

1. The Masonic God is called the Great Architect of the Universe (G.A.O.T.U.) but must remain undefined.

Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia states the following about God: "Men have to decide whether they want a God like the ancient Hebrew Jahweh, a partisan tribal god, with whom they can talk and argue and from whom they can hide if necessary, or a boundless, eternal, universal, undenominational, and international Divine Spirit, so vastly removed from the speck called man, that he cannot be known, named or approached. So soon as man begins to laud his God and endow him with the most perfect human attributes such as justice, mercy, beneficence, etc., the Divine Essence is depreciated and despoiled....The Masonic test is a Supreme Being, and any qualification added is an innovation and distortion ... Monotheism ... violates Masonic principles, for it requires belief in a specific kind of Supreme Deity" [1]

At one level, Masonry teaches that its God must remain undefined and unknowable. In keeping God undefined and unknowable, Masonry believes it can then "accept" all men's ideas of God. Masonry believes that by leaving God undefined, it can claim that it accepts the God of the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Mormons, etc. What Masonry means is that its "boundless Divine Spirit" is really the one true God that all men worship.

But this is completely false and is actually dishonest. The God of Masonry does have certain characteristics -- he is single (Unitarian, not Trinitarian), deistic [2], the "Life Force of Nature" [3], and his secret name and true nature are described by reference to ancient evil and pagan gods and beliefs [4].

The simple fact is that the God or gods of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Animism and all the other religions of the world are not the same God. To say that all gods are the same or that all religions teach the same fundamental truths is intellectual schizophrenia, disrespect for each and all religions, and deception to those to whom one teaches such falsehood.

Concepts of God throughout the world all conflict and disagree. For example, the God of Christianity, Jehovah, is infinite, personal, triune, loving, and holy. The deity of the Muslims, Allah, is Unitarian (not triune); he is merciful, but he is not necessarily loving or holy. The deity of the Hindus, Brahman, is impersonal and monistic (neither Unitarian nor triune) or polytheistic (a belief in thousands of finite gods, both good and evil). Buddhism is either polytheistic (believing Buddha is God and that there are hundreds of other good and evil gods) or completely nontheistic, claiming there is not God. Buddhism replaces God with a confusing state of being called Nirvana. Mormonism is different from all the above in that it is henotheistic -- accepting belief in one central deity (Elohim) but accepting many lesser deities as well.

Masonry is wrong in teaching that all religions ultimately have the same concept of God. Masonry is also wrong in teaching that the God of all religions is the Masonic Deity [5]. The gods of the above religions are not the same. All the above religions teach that God is either personal, impersonal, holy, evil, Unitarian, Trinitarian, monistic, infinite, finite, loving, not loving, existent, nonexistent, etc.

So when Masonry claims that the God all men worship is the God of Masonry, this can't possibly be true. Masonry has a distinct concept of God that disagrees with almost all of these other religions' specific concepts of God.

If we compare the God of the Bible with the God taught in the Masonic Lodge, we are faced with irreconcilable differences. As Martin L. Wagner has correctly stated, "This Great Architect as conceived by Freemasons is not identical with the Jehovah of Christianity, but ... is another and distinct entity" [6]. He says they "are entirely separate and different, mutually exclusive and no syncretism can harmonize them" [7].

Masonic authority Albert Pike admits, "If our conceptions of God are those of the ignorant, narrow-minded, and vindictive Israelite ... we feel that it is an affront and an indignity to him [God], to conceive of him as cruel, short-sighted, capricious, and unjust; as a jealous, and angry, and vindictive Being" [8].

Pike later referred to the ignorance and stupidity of most Christians and confessed: "The God of nineteen-twentieths of the Christian world is only Bel [Baal], Molach, Zeus, or at best Osiris, Mythras or Adonai, under another name, worshipped with the old pagan ceremonies and ritualistic formulas ..." [9]

When Masons claim that the Lodge is "tolerant" of all faiths and accepts the God that all men worship, it is really engaging in dishonesty. The truth is that Masonry does not accept the God of any religion but changes each religion's belief in God into the strange, distinct Masonic view of God as the Great Architect of the Universe (G.A.O.T.U.) [10]. Masonry falsely claims it is tolerant of other beliefs in order to attract men of different religious beliefs into becoming Masons. In actuality, a true Mason must forfeit his own religious beliefs in who God is and accept the new God of Masonry [11].

2. God's secret name is "Jahbulon."

The Masonic Lodge teaches in the Royal Arch degree that it knows the true name of God. The candidate is instructed that from now on the true name of God is Jahbulon.

The candidate is clearly instructed in his Masonic manual that the term "Jahbulon" is a composite term for Jehovah (Jah), Baal (Bul or Bel), and On (a possible reference to Osiris).

Masonic authorities such as Coil [12] and the Masonic Ritual and Monitor[13] admit that "Bul" or "Bel" refers to the Assyrian or Canaanite deity Baal and that "On" refers to the Egyptian deity Osiris.