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re: IRS warns taxpayers about new $600 threshold for third-party payment reporting

Posted on 11/26/22 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by BK Lounge
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 3:37 pm to
Sort of related question- I used to have several season tickets in Tiger Stadium, including suites, parking passes, etc.. Most of them went to friends and family, but sometimes id sell on Stubhub.. Now, even though i no longer mess with any of that and ive since let all my tickets go back to the school- Stubhub is asking me for my tax id number.. I haven’t sold anything thru them in years, but do yall think they would come after me for sales i made years ago ? Or since these tax policies are ostensibly new, am i safe ? Obviously i will eventually consult a professional if it becomes a problem, just wanted to get yalls thoughts .
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:15 pm to
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Just use it as your day-to-day spending money and don't deposit it


So the banks are reporting any deposits over $600?
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:25 pm to
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An individual selling at item who already paid taxes on this item is not a business and should have to pay tax again to the IRS.


State sales tax would be a bit iffy, but as long as you can show you paid more than $400 for the iPad it's not a taxable transaction.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:25 pm to
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got a notice from ebay that said before they can deposit anymore money in my checking account from the junk I've sold I had to give them my social number. It was because I was over the $600 limit.

So I guess now I will pay taxes on stuff that I've already paid taxes on and now resold?


Yeah it's some dumb shite. Just a way for them to get more money out of us.

I thought they started the 600$ threshold last yr.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:28 pm to
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So the banks are reporting any deposits over $600?

Not sure. It used to be 10k. But if I had a bunch of cash I didn't want the government to know about I'd just use it for day-to-day expenses like gas, restaurants, groceries etc until it was gone. That would be kind of hard to do with 5 million but 25k shouldn't take too terribly long
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:28 pm to
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The pandemic and Cashapp changed everything and the government flipped out at the lax oversight by the processors.


This had been going on.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:29 pm to
Technically the IRS can go back as far as they want if they can prove fraud or gross negligence.

Not a lawyer, and not official advice, but unless you made money on the deals it's not worth amending a return to add an informational only schedule.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:32 pm to
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Congress slashed the limit as part of the
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American Rescue Plan Act
of 2021, and a single transaction over $600 may now trigger the form.
Thank GAWD they rescued us from the freedom to spend money as without telling the government!
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:33 pm to
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they aren't coming for the billionaires theyre coming for us


This is the problem.

Going after the everyday guy.
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1161 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:41 pm to
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Not sure. It used to be 10k.


I don't do any ebay, Venmo, etc transactions as I don't sell anything but I did deposit $600 in cash the other day($100 for my birthday, $200 paid back from my sister and $300 paid back from my brother). That would suck if I get audited and have to explain that train wreck.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:54 pm to
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I don't do any ebay, Venmo, etc transactions as I don't sell anything but I did deposit $600 in cash the other day($100 for my birthday, $200 paid back from my sister and $300 paid back from my brother). That would suck if I get audited and have to explain that train wreck.

It looks like that's still 10k. The other poster had 25k in cash. I think that would be pretty easy to get rid of through day-to-day life without the IRS getting notified. Unless they are like "you haven't bought groceries in 9 months"
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 4:56 pm to
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Sort of related question- I used to have several season tickets in Tiger Stadium, including suites, parking passes, etc.. Most of them went to friends and family, but sometimes id sell on Stubhub.. Now, even though i no longer mess with any of that and ive since let all my tickets go back to the school- Stubhub is asking me for my tax id number.. I haven’t sold anything thru them in years, but do yall think they would come after me for sales i made years ago ? Or since these tax policies are ostensibly new, am i safe ? Obviously i will eventually consult a professional if it becomes a problem, just wanted to get yalls thoughts .



THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE


First, understand this is a REPORTING requirement and does not change what you owe now or in the past. If you sold something in the past and made a profit on the sale you owed taxes then.

Second, it is highly unlikely any of these services that are required to report are going to report things prior to the reporting rules coming into effect. They don't want to report at all, it is a hassle, costs them money and will likely cost them customers that don't want to be bothered with the tax issues or it just pisses them off and they move to cash sells if they sell.

Third, as noted if they audit you in the future and find fraud, substantial error or gross negligence in that year they can go as far back as they want to. Like a proctologist that just keeps running the sigmoidoscope up your arse until it comes out your mouth. You never ever want to be in this position since you are going to have a very bad day.

Fourth, what I would do but never suggest anyone else do is I would not amend old taxes unless we were talking about a significant amount of income. Keep my taxes clean and correct, avoid audits and if I am audited provided complete and proper documentation to eliminate any indication of fraud or negligence so the likelihood they look past 3 years or definitely 6 is extremely low.

THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVISE AND LIKELY EXTREMELY BAD ADVICE SO IT SHOULD BE IGNORED COMPLETELY.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:01 pm to
Imagine voting for the mental midget Democrats.
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:04 pm to
Will this be reported on Schedule C?
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3465 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:17 pm to
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THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE



Thanks for your detailed response, i appreciate it.. In re to some of your points- i have no plans to go back and amend my returns or draw attention to myself in any way.. Stubhub is telling me they need my TIN # by Dec 15th, so ill provide them my SS# (not my LLC EIN # since i dont want them to think i made a “business” out of selling these tickets).. but i agree that since this is a new policy, i WOULD have a legal leg to stand on if they asked me why i didnt pay taxes on Stubhub sales 6 or 7 yrs ago…. Secondly, by my logic- it wasnt really ‘profit’ per se that i made, since i was re-selling products i had already purchased - i only made profits on maybe 15-20% of the seats i had, the vast majority went to friends/family at face value, so i pretty much broke even most years.. …. Thanks again, i was stressed about all this a few days ago when i first became aware, but the more i think about it and look into it, the safer i have begun to feel .
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1161 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:27 pm to
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25k in cash


$500 monthly deposits for 4 years. Problem solved.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30193 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:36 pm to
Congress is making millions unethically and illegally. Meanwhile, they are now going to come after the middle class over three figure transactions.

This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 5:38 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48561 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:40 pm to
Tons of insider trading going on but how dare you make a few hundred bucks on something you sold on eBay. That needs to be taxed or you are a bad human being.
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1161 posts
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:44 pm to
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how dare you make a few hundred bucks on something you sold on eBay


Also, we have people out there who are "by the book" when it comes to paying taxes. Like, if someone pays them $500 cash for some electrical work done on a Saturday, they are reporting it to the IRS first thing Monday morning. I get you don't frick with the IRS, but for Christ's sake, take that money and bring your wife out on a date and buy her something nice.
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