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IQ and school achievement tests like LEAP

Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:30 pm
Is IQ a reliable enough measure that it should be paired with tests like LEAP? A good teacher can be judged by whether students improve on LEAP, sure, but is the LEAP score bound by IQ? Not fair to expect a teacher to improve the LEAP score of a kid who is just maxed out and not going to do better?

(Actually what are teachers judged on?)
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:34 pm to
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(Actually what are teachers judged on?)


I’m not a teacher but I keep up with it in the news. From what I can tell they’re judged on not sleeping with or fighting their students and avoiding coming to work drunk/high.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34325 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:34 pm to
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but is the LEAP score bound by IQ

No, but it doesn’t help. Parental involvement and hard work can overcome a lot in terms of IQ.

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Actually what are teachers judged on?)

Test scores are a part of it. Teachers are also graded by administration observations.
Posted by alajones
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:36 pm to
Teachers/schools are actually judged more on improving than anything else.

While it is a correct assumption that LEAP scores can be “maxed out” so to speak, what is more important is that the student moves for example from an “approaching basic” to a “basic” or something along those lines.

Teachers are judged more by their administrators than the LEAP as the scores are usually not in for the end of year evaluations.


IQ means doodlie doo in schools.
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:36 pm to
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Teachers are also graded by administration observations.


Yeah, and you can shove that NIET rubric right up the poop chute. Don’t robot me.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:00 pm to
Proven that an IQ of 120 can accomplish any thing. Anything above that is superfluous
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:10 pm to
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Proven that an IQ of 120 can accomplish any thing. Anything above that is superfluous


A 120 IQ is higher than that of 90% of the population so it would almost have to be true.
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:10 pm to
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IQ means doodlie doo in schools.


Yeah, dumb asses can do algebra and read as well as functional children.

IQ is very important in academic achievement.

Teachers with the classrooms with bad demographics are screwed.
Posted by Kujo
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Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:10 pm to
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Proven that an IQ of 120 can accomplish any thing. Anything above that is superfluous




A 120 will go bankrupt before a higher IQ. IQ more closely correlates with not failing than it does "success".

I put "success" in quotes because morons think success is money. 100 million 100 IQs will play the lottery and when one wins by risk/chance, morons will say "see he has an IQ of 100 and is successful"
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:30 pm to
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Proven that an IQ of 120 can accomplish any thing. Anything above that is superfluous

I got 136 on an iq test when I was in 4th grade
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35970 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:31 pm to
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Yeah, dumb asses can do algebra and read as well as functional children.


There are plenty of other assessments that can measure a students ability in particular subjects.

As an experienced teacher, I can honestly say I’ve never seen an IQ score or even heard it mentioned in the HUNDREDS of IEPs, classes, meetings, symposiums, workshops, etc. that I’ve attended.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:36 pm to
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I got 136 on an iq test when I was in 4th grade


That would put you above at the 99th percentile, hopefully you became a neurosurgeon, or particle physicist.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:20 pm to
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Is IQ a reliable enough measure that it should be paired with tests like LEAP?
Well IQ tests are reliable and valid, but until about 2nd grade, IQ isn’t very stable, and even they account for about 50% achievement. And the most reliable and valid IQ tests are individually administered, and therefore take significant time to administer and score. And it would be questionable to give them one time, and not consider the error that they do have. And it’s even more questionable ethically.

In other words, it’s unreasonable to measure and use IQ as a control, and achievement scores should be measured and evaluated using years of data, to establish a value-added type score, which would make the IQ scores even less useful.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
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35970 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:28 pm to
I was given one very early on and it was individual. I’m not sure what it was but you had to have at least a 130 to get into the gifted program and I got in.
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:48 pm to
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As an experienced teacher, I can honestly say I’ve never seen an IQ score or even heard it mentioned in the HUNDREDS of IEPs, classes, meetings, symposiums, workshops, etc. that I’ve attended.


Because "IQ" has been labeled as racist or against the "growth mindset" or the concept of "multiple intelligences". The SPED coordinators use what are IQ tests to determine both the intellectually disabled and gifted. Everyone else is mainstream which is assumed to be 68% of the population.

And Teachers would probably stop trying so hard if they knew the truth.

Your military fate was probably determined by your IQ.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106035 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:58 pm to
A guy who does a little part time work for us is a HS math teacher. He says you can track the test scores of a group of kids from elementary school on, and predict how well they will do on future tests based on their past scores. One cohort will have a few really smart kids, the next will have some dumb ones, and the scores will reflect it. From year to year it looks like you're doing a better or worse job, but it's really natural variation.

You don't want to have a group of high achievers followed the next year by a bunch of simpletons because it makes you look bad.
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