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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)

Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:43 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:43 am to
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I don't understand why the hell this matters
For a few reasons? One being a contact direct barrel of the gun to the head shot-- execution style versus a rando shot-could show a professional hit-or not, could show extreme anger, psychosis in motive of shooter?

But mostly, if it was a direct hit to the head the shooter would be disorientated and covered in blood & matter and Ellick couldn't have cleaned himself up?

The CNA at Miss Libby's house (Ellick's Mom) said AM was not full of blood and gore.

Then...some have said he cleaned up with the kennel hose and showered before he called 911-was there time? Even going 80 miles an hour down a dirt road?

Or Ellick wasn't the shooter. (My theory) he arranged a hit of all 3 and chickened out and hid.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 10:48 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79850 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:45 am to
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I don't understand why the hell this matters


Multitude of reasons:

Degree of brutality

Time to kill

How much material would be on the killer

Etc.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79850 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:48 am to
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Then...some have said he cleaned up with the kennel hose and showered before he called 911-was there time?


Based on the Onstar, I don't beleive there was time for that. He was only in the house a minute or so when he got back.

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Even going 80 miles an hour down a dirt road?


Who said it was a dirt road? Also, the top speed was very briefly 80 on the way back. It actually took him longer to get there, than get back. And SLED drove the same route and had the same overall time.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:49 am to
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execution style versus a rando shot-could show a professional hit-or not, could show extreme anger, psychosis in motive of shooter?


I don't see how this is relevant. There were plenty of angry people in the community that would have wanted paw paw dead.

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But mostly, if it was a direct hit to the head the shooter would be disorientated and covered in blood & matter and Ellick couldn't have cleaned himself up?


This makes sense to me.

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Or Ellick wasn't the shooter. (My theory) he arranged a hit of all 3 and chickened out and hid.


I actually like this theory, but don't understand why you would try to have the rest of your family killed outside of Buster because you are an idiot POS. Also there's no financial benefit for AM to murder Maggie and Paul which seems to be AM's entire MO.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
161973 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:50 am to
Offshoot Question: The area around back at Miss Libbys house. Did LE ever search the area for the blue tarp, blue jacket?

Was it a wooded area?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 10:52 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79850 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:52 am to
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Offshoot Question: The area around back at Miss Libbys house. Did LE ever search the was area for the blue tarp, blue jacket?


I beleive so. John Marvin testified about the day, but I beleive it was days/weeks after the murder.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:02 am to
Whats the deal with the blue lights?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79850 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:07 am to
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Whats the deal with the blue lights?


That Alex would use his influence to get people to do what he wanted and he was close with law enforcement and would have no reason to lie to them?

Not sure why its a big deal.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
11877 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:21 am to
Well this witness is not helping the state.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86292 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:22 am to
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Also there's no financial benefit for AM to murder Maggie
Are you sure? I was told there was.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18771 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:32 am to
If he hired a professional, why mess with two guns?

And again, why be anywhere near the vicinity when it was going down? He could have had an airtight alibi.

Why not multiple quick shots with the AR for all of them.

None of it makes sense. I also think he could have avoided splatter, wouldn't most of it have gone backwards anyway?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 11:32 am
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
11598 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:32 am to
This trial is going downhill quick. These rebuttal witnesses are terrible.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79850 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:33 am to
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This trial is going downhill quick. These rebuttal witnesses are terrible.


The State built up very little hill for it to go down IMO.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:37 am to
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Well this witness is not helping the state.


I cringed at the cell phone expert’s testimony.

I cannot believe the state thought that was a good idea to present his experiment that had no real support behind it.
Posted by lesserof2weevils
In my own mind
Member since Oct 2011
812 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:38 am to
He sold Moselle to Maggie for $5 a few years ago.

There are a lot of questions for me about how he pulled it off, but his guilt is obvious to me for one main reason:
at the scene he shows no fear and no anger. Imagine you got home after being gone for about 45 minutes and found that carnage. Wouldn’t you be terrified that the killers were still close? Wouldn’t you be screaming for the cops to look for them? Block the roads? Check the house? Check the woods?
And, as a good ole boy with tremendous influence, who has always gotten every thing he wanted, he’s not calling any high-ups (who he would have on speed-dial) to get involved immediately and catch the people who just supposedly took away what he cares most about in the world?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
161973 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:40 am to
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I actually like this theory, but don't understand why you would try to have the rest of your family killed outside of Buster because you are an idiot POS. Also there's no financial benefit for AM to murder Maggie and Paul which seems to be AM's entire MO.
Paul was looking at jail time for the Timmy boat accident death. Paul had to be killed in AM's drug addled mind because the motive was hate from the boat accident.

Even the death of AM's housekeeper never opened up the entire ball of wax. Paul's dumbass boat accident did.

Maggie is rumored to have found a large amount of AM's pills (her browser history showed her looking up 30Mg oxycodone after finding a duffel bag of pills)

Maggie is rumored (news articles) to have ordered a forensic audit of the family finances.

Maggie most likely would not have kept all of the current day secrets to herself. She would have been left broke, ashamed, in hiding. Paul going to jail for even 5 years would have killed Maggie. The boys were her life.

So in AM's drug addled, psychotic, narcissist mind it was a mercy kill.

With the alibi of hatred of Paul. I think he wanted them all 3 dead to give his brothers/family a clean slate and remove the sudden family shame?

Then Buster would get the million dollar ins. policy Alex has (and tried to use when he had Cousin Eddie try to kill him) Buster would get back in law school and carry on the 100 year tradition?

But at the last minute he chickened out and hid; and it was too late to call off the hit? Maggie was closing in on not being the quiet wife. AM's number one life source and concern-his addiction, was being exposed.

Maggie honing in on the larger drug running.

It is nuts, but it matches the past conniving sick schemes especially wanting cousin Eddie to kill him.

If AM was not there within minutes I would say it was a drug related Paul boat accident hit.

But he lured Maggie and Paul there and found Maggie's phone on the golf cart the three of them took to the kennels... after they were executed?

He ditched Maggie's phone--As he panicked and saw it on the golf cart leaving the kennels-- and drove 80 miles an hour to hide the hit he arranged and chickened out of.

Then 40 miles an hour to throw the phone out the car window into the woods because he couldn't go place it back at Maggie's body.

He never thought the video on Paul's phone went through because the coverage at the kennels was terrible.

I reserve the right to change my cocklemaney opinion.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:42 am to
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but his guilt is obvious to me for one main reason: at the scene he shows no fear and no anger. Imagine you got home after being gone for about 45 minutes and found that carnage. Wouldn’t you be terrified that the killers were still close? Wouldn’t you be screaming for the cops to look for them? Block the roads? Check the house? Check the woods?


I haven’t followed the trial closely till today. No idea if he’s innocent or guilty.

But this line of thinking is terrifying to me. It’s asinine to think there is a playbook of expectation of how one should act in the event of a truly catastrophic and unprecedented event. Everyone is going to act differently in such a situation and even process it differently.

Not meant to just direct this to you, because a lot of people (jurors included) make opinions like this. It’s just always scared the shite out of me that people can be convicted because of what they do or don’t do in some type of unprecedented event where you clearly aren’t thinking rationally.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
11877 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:46 am to
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I cringed at the cell phone expert’s testimony.

I cannot believe the state thought that was a good idea to present his experiment that had no real support behind it.


Witness testing the phone alone in his office and not recording anything, yeah not sure that was a good call.

Posted by The Korean
Denham Springs, LA
Member since May 2008
1645 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:48 am to
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Wouldn’t you be terrified that the killers were still close? Wouldn’t you be screaming for the cops to look for them? Block the roads? Check the house? Check the woods?


I know what you mean, but he did at some point while he was on the phone with 911 tell the operator he was going back to the house to get a gun if "they" were still around. He does get a gun as the operator tells him to not shoot the 1st responders when they arrive and to leave the gun in his car I believe.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 11:50 am
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38963 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:48 am to
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Also there's no financial benefit for AM to murder Maggie and Paul which seems to be AM's entire MO.



If he arranges a hit on all 3 then BM ends up with all of the money. Any of PM or MM are going to be somewhat of a financial burden. If it's PM his legal defense, civil judgements, etc would all come from AM's estate. If it's MM then she's going to be a much bigger beneficiary than BM.

This theory is the one that I subscribe to. I also think it gives it a little more credence because he tried to have himself killed afterwards anyway.
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