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Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by lachellie
LALA Land
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:34 pm to
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Nah, pretty sure you can hunt hogs with an AR (maybe) or AK (even more likely) and I doubt a suppressor would help.
Apparently that’s exactly why the suppressors bill were purchased-though never attached - to keep from spooking the hog herd, per the gunsmith.
Posted by lachellie
LALA Land
Member since Aug 2012
1127 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:38 pm to
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probably spent more on guns
I was personally shocked at the “arsenal” kept in the hunting lodge gun room. I expected something more . . . extensive. Twenty-five or so long guns is not much in certain circles. I do agree about the pills. AM may have had a pill problem but all that money wasn’t spent on it.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39243 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:50 pm to
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The only thing that really bothers me. The different guns points to there being more than one shooter and them killing both victims simultaneously or in close proximity of time. Why would a single killer shoot one person (you have to assume the other victim hears those shots) and then switches guns and shoots the other one?

What better way to stage the murders as being a hit?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:56 pm to
Damn, that blog just shows you how extensive the criminal empire was in that part of the state. There is no way that "opioid addiction" is the extent of why he was stealing money. There is a whole group of people involved in that theft.

I also don't think that the guy's breathing tube accidentally got disconnected days after the settlement.
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
829 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:23 pm to
From FitsNews:

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From the moment he was subpoenaed a month ago to testify in the double homicide trial of disbarred South Carolina attorney Alex Murdaugh, speculation has swirled as to what accused drug dealer/ Murdaugh check casher Curtis “Eddie” Smith would tell a jury in the event he were called to the witness stand.

Now we know …

According to multiple sources familiar with the contents of his envisioned testimony, Smith will tell jurors that Murdaugh confessed to him that he murdered his wife and younger son at the family’s hunting compound on June 7, 2021.

Smith’s attorney, Aimee Zmroczek, did not immediately respond to our request for comment on the report – which could portend yet another dramatic hairpin turn in these still-unfolding proceedings.

Murdaugh stands accused of killing his wife, 52-year-old Maggie Murdaugh, and youngest son, 22-year-old Paul Murdaugh, on that fateful evening. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently standing trial at the Colleton County courthouse – one of the many Lowcountry halls of justice where his powerful family, a regional legal dynasty, once ruled with impunity.


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Murdaugh’s alleged confession to Smith was reportedly made 89 days after the killings during a bizarre roadside shooting incident that took place on the Old Salkehatchie Road.

For those of you unfamiliar with this incident, Smith stands accused of conspiring with Murdaugh on a botched suicide attempt – one ostensibly intended to help his surviving son, Buster Murdaugh, collect on a $10 million life insurance policy.

Both Smith and Murdaugh have been criminally charged in connection with the roadside shooting. In fact, those charges – which were filed shortly after the incident– were the first criminal charges filed in connection with the still-expanding web of alleged criminality surrounding this Lowcountry lawyer .

Smith’s original statement to law enforcement was that he asked Murdaugh on the roadside what happened at Moselle three months earlier.

“It all got fricked up,” Murdaugh allegedly told Smith.

In recent weeks, Smith has reportedly expanded on this statement – affirming that Murdaugh did, in fact, expressly confess to the murders of Maggie and Paul.

At some point before or after this exchange, Smith is alleged to have fired at Murdaugh’s head – giving him what law enforcement sources described at the time as a “superficial head wound.”

And it turns out that yes, there actually was a head wound …


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Smith has been detained at the Lexington County detention center for the past two months after his bond on multiple charges related to this saga was revoked by S.C. circuit court judge Clifton Newman, who is presiding over the Murdaugh trial.

The man known as “Cousin Eddie” has previously called Murdaugh “one of my best friends.”

“He’s like a brother to me,” he told WCIV TV-4 (ABC – Charleston, S.C.) last September.

Will the prosecution call Smith to the stand? It’s a gamble …

Clearly, testimony related to a confession from Murdaugh could be a key piece of evidence for jurors – but Smith’s credibility is likely to face withering scrutiny upon cross-examination from Murdaugh’s attorneys.

If he is called to testify, sources familiar with the case said Smith could be transported to Colleton County sometime “mid-to-late next week.”
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 2:28 pm
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:33 pm to
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What better way to stage the murders as being a hit?


If you want it to look like 2 shooters, then use 2 guns.

The murder weapons are missing, and Alex is saying that there are guns of his that were reported stolen.

I also think it’s odd that the defense argument of a “hit” would require using stolen guns from the property.

Does anyone know when they were reported stolen?
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
12444 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:05 pm to
I think it can be assume that Cousin Eddie was AM’s right hand man. AM gave him 2.4 million for some reason over several years. Both was involved with drug trafficking and other financial scandals.

Now it is known that Eddie failed the polygraph when asked he killed PM and MM and failed when asked if he was present. The defense will use this and all of the other mess to say that Eddie was the one. With his track record, Eddie will be used as the fall guy. His lawyer said in an interview that if he is called to testify then he will be truthful. I’m not sure what to think of him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was involved and part of me believes he was involved in some capacity. I don’t think he planned and executed the murders. I could see him as the clean up guy after the murders.
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:11 pm to
I agree. We know AM was good at manipulating highly educated people, so I assume it would be much easier for him to manipulate someone like Eddie. I wouldn't be suprised if he was there that night. It would explain a lot.
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
12444 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:20 pm to
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If you want it to look like 2 shooters, then use 2 guns. The murder weapons are missing, and Alex is saying that there are guns of his that were reported stolen. I also think it’s odd that the defense argument of a “hit” would require using stolen guns from the property. Does anyone know when they were reported stolen?


AM told SLED and investigators that he never reported the AR missing. The casings from the 300 blackout around MM body is the same as other casings found around the property. The marks on the rounds are matched.
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
12444 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:33 pm to
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I agree. We know AM was good at manipulating highly educated people, so I assume it would be much easier for him to manipulate someone like Eddie. I wouldn't be suprised if he was there that night. It would explain a lot.


The thing about Eddie is that he conducts interviews with the media and speculated on several things. I think one thing he said that MM was having affair with the property caretaker.

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Smith provided investigators with the names of three individuals who could place him at his home at the time the murders were believed to have taken place. According to the filing, Smith even shared a detailed story blaming “Paul and unnamed groundskeeper” for the murders. “Maggie had a thing going on with the groundskeeper which I never met him, don’t know his name … and Paul went down into one of the barns and caught him and he got upset and he went and got his rifle and was hollering and screaming his mama his mama was running and she fell down and she got up, he shot her in the arse and the bullet come out the top of her head and then he turned to the groundskeeper guy,” Smith told the investigator. “But the groundskeeper already went to his truck and got a shotgun.”


We know this is a lie because AM said the caretaker was not there and the Snapchat video placed AM at the kennels right before PM and MM was killed. I just don’t trust his credibility and the defense is going to go all in to prove he doesn’t have credibility. I was listening to one show and they say that the defense has this big bulky folder that has Eddie’s name written on it. It is going to be a hit or miss with the jury.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:41 pm to
So many things that are going to make the “hit” defense difficult to sell.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:48 pm to
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I think it can be assume that Cousin Eddie was AM’s right hand man. AM gave him 2.4 million for some reason over several years. Both was involved with drug trafficking and other financial scandals.
Eddie probably handled any "dirty" work in the operation. $2.4m will get a lot of breathing tubes pulled and brake lines cut.

I bet there was some shooting too. Alex's cousin who started an FFL biz selling 100's of gun starting with the 2 Alex bought for his sons was probably involved ttoo.i would go over his books with a fine tooth comb.
Posted by Buddy Red
Maringouin, LA
Member since Aug 2007
282 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:55 pm to
AM is smiling smuggly like a shite eating coon while this firearm / ammunition testimony is going on....

And I have nothing to support this, but I bet someone swapped the uppers in AR platform at some point, firing pin included. Could that have changed the ejection marks?
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19472 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

The defense will use this and all of the other mess to say that Eddie was the one. With his track record, Eddie will be used as the fall guy


I think this would be a hard defense considering this

quote:

AM gave him 2.4 million for some reason over several years


If Cousin Eddie did it, it was at Murdaugh's request and he will probably sing like a bird to get his sentence reduced.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 5:07 pm to
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AM is smiling smuggly like a shite eating coon while this firearm / ammunition testimony is going on....

And I have nothing to support this, but I bet someone swapped the uppers in AR platform at some point, firing pin included. Could that have changed the ejection marks?
He is probably super proud of himself for disappearing the rifle. But I wouldn't put anything else past him.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11924 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:36 pm to
I wonder if Alex M has seen either of the Murder on the Orient Express (or related movies)?

Economically he has done so many people wrong and it seems darned near every body has a family member in prison. Especially in a smallish family-centric state like South Carolina.

No way he isn't protected like an Epstein or a Hernandez every minute of every day.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

Apparently that’s exactly why the suppressors bill were purchased-though never attached - to keep from spooking the hog herd, per the gunsmith.



That's an interesting theory of hog hunting, I guess. Maybe someone who hunts hogs can give a second opinion about it. I would've thought any hog-worthy round you can effectively suppress is going to drop like a rock, so you're going to have to get really close to them.

And now I an envisioning Rambo scenarios with Murdaugh and bunch of pigs .
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:05 pm to
Any theories on how/where he discarded the weapons?

Obviously had to be done enroute to his mother’s house.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11924 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:34 pm to
The best place to hide something is in sight, where it's expected to be.
The questionable history of the Hunting property might have septic tanks, cisterns, holes in the walls where something could be dropped in from the attic, drainage pipes were things were irrigated.

Our old farm house had a 200 year old promisory note for seven dollars written in 1865 and it had dropped between the old log cabin tree trunks and the more recent (early 1900s) weatherboard. We even found a rusted ax under a massive basement log. The bigger the property, the more hiding places.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39243 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:09 pm to
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any hog-worthy round

People hunt them with .22 LR in some places/seasons you can only hunt them with that.

.223 to .300 (BL) would be ample. I’m no expert but I’d wager that subsonic .300 suppressed would be fine.
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