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re: Invasive pythons have nearly eradicated small mammals in the Florida Keys
Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:52 pm to Auburn1968
Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:52 pm to Auburn1968
Dang.
That one up near Panama City slithered a helluva long way.
That one up near Panama City slithered a helluva long way.
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:19 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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My money is on the gators. That's their house and they don't frick around.
There are more snakes than gators. They eat the same prey. The snakes will eat and continue to reproduce as long as the prey is abundant. They will starve the gator population.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:24 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There are more snakes than gators. They eat the same prey.
there’s like 4 times as many gators as there are pythons in Florida.
the pythons that are being released are all big enough (and in enough numbers) to just wipe out a huge number of younger gators. so their numbers are trending in opposite directions.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:26 pm to Nutriaitch
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there’s like 4 times as many gators as there are pythons in Florida.
I don't think they have a clue how many pythons there actually are.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:28 pm to Auburn1968
The idiots in government are the major obstacle to eradicating them. They forbid any “real” efforts for citizens to get a bounty and get them out. It’s a token service almost worse than the Nutria “bounty” program. Gov needs to turn people loose and offer a real county program.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:28 pm to Auburn1968
I lived in Florida during the early nineties. You could by any reptile you wanted even reticulated pythons. A lot of people just let them go when they got to big to handle. And with hurricane Andrew wiping out pet stores, perfect recipe for disaster.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:43 pm to Auburn1968
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Guam could be of assistance on this since they have been using carrion bait with Tylenol to repress their brown tree snake problem.
No need to discuss this with Guam, it'll prob tip over before we get over there to discuss it. Per that famous statement from rep Hank Johnson from GA.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:43 pm to zippyputt
I’m doing my part!
…but not really because I’m not killing any snakes. When I leave Florida there are no more and no less pythons on the loose than when I got there. Going back in a few weeks.
The whole python program is really just a ruse so they can collect fees for permits…and fine people for not having permits.
…but not really because I’m not killing any snakes. When I leave Florida there are no more and no less pythons on the loose than when I got there. Going back in a few weeks.
The whole python program is really just a ruse so they can collect fees for permits…and fine people for not having permits.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:47 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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frick those snakes, and frick the dorks that buy them as pets and release them.
Hurricane Andrew destroyed the facilities they were being kept in.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:48 pm to TigrrrDad
You need to wax those pythons. Terrible thing happening to a very unique ecosystem down there.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:48 pm to Auburn1968
I thought Fishing Garrett was taking care of this problem…
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:02 pm to zippyputt
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You need to wax those pythons. Terrible thing happening to a very unique ecosystem down there
They’re never putting that genie back in the bottle. It’s estimated that there are 300,000+ pythons in Florida now - there’s just too many to even put a dent in the population. It’s the new normal down there.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:10 pm to Auburn1968
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However, in southern Florida there are many native species (e.g., birds, reptiles, mammals) including state and federally listed species of concern, that would readily consume a similar type of bait system, or an animal that has previously consumed the bait, and may likewise be susceptible to acetaminophen, especially given the higher lethal dosage for Burmese pythons (i.e., 263 to 703 mg/kg; Mauldin and Savarie 2010). Therefore, although Burmese pythons may consume recently dead rodents and quail containing acetaminophen (Mauldin and Savarie 2010), the delivery mechanism and strategies to present such a bait to pythons, while excluding non-target species, is an enormous challenge. Currently, known toxicants are not a viable option for control of Burmese pythons.
Burmese Pythons in FL
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:14 pm to GruntbyAssociation
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nothing cute or cuddly about any snake
That's definitely true. I would much rather have a dog or cat.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:24 pm to sledgehammer
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So once the pythons finish eradicating all small mammals, what will they eat? Could they eventually starve themselves to death?
The fear is that they'll migrate north.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:31 pm to supadave3
quote:They can’t handle the cold. Their intolerance to freezing temps is the only thing that’s kept them from spreading beyond south Florida already.
The fear is that they'll migrate north.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:41 pm to TigrrrDad
I get that you like snakes....but not killing pythons you catch or turning them in is irresponsible as hell.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:44 pm to Tiger Prawn
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They can’t handle the cold. Their intolerance to freezing temps is the only thing that’s kept them from spreading beyond south Florida already.
I don't know anything about python life requirements but that video linked above says that they can live in the environment all they way to North Carolina. He seemed to know what he was talking about about.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:40 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There are more snakes than gators. They eat the same prey. The snakes will eat and continue to reproduce as long as the prey is abundant. They will starve the gator population.
Gators mostly feed on fish. While the pythons will also hunt in water they are mainly land based.
Only about 1% of young pythons get to be big snake stage. A lot of young ones get eaten by other predators.
Of course, that works both ways and young gators are food for big pythons.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:48 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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However, in southern Florida there are many native species (e.g., birds, reptiles, mammals) including state and federally listed species of concern, that would readily consume a similar type of bait system, or an animal that has previously consumed the bait, and may likewise be susceptible to acetaminophen, especially given the higher lethal dosage for Burmese pythons (i.e., 263 to 703 mg/kg; Mauldin and Savarie 2010). Therefore, although Burmese pythons may consume recently dead rodents and quail containing acetaminophen (Mauldin and Savarie 2010), the delivery mechanism and strategies to present such a bait to pythons, while excluding non-target species, is an enormous challenge. Currently, known toxicants are not a viable option for control of Burmese pythons.
Sounds like a rationalization under the influence of a PITA moon.
Given the fact that pythons are wiping out a very broad spectrum of native wild life, the risk benefit seems well out of whack. Those remote risk non-targeted species won't exist if nothing meaningful is done.
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