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re: Interesting new “development” on Scot Peterson (resource officer)
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
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BRANDON HUFF, SENIOR, MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL: The school resource officer was behind a stairwell wall just standing there, and he had his gun drawn. And he was just pointing it at the building.
And you could -- shots started going off inside. You could hear them going off over and over. And he was just talking on the radio, and he never did anything for four minutes. And he's the only one with a gun. He's wearing a bulletproof vest. And all -- he has all that, while school security guards, you know, coaches pretty much, were running in shielding kids.
I'm sure that high school kid that is in the middle of a school shooting has an airtight memory of exactly what happened and didn't exaggerate anything afterwards.
I am not defending the deputy. My argument has always been "let all the facts come out and the noise settle down before we convict this guy on the internet".
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:35 pm to baldona
quote:Of course
Engaging a suspect firing at others would give you a huge tactical advantage
quote:Maybe he did, but I don't think we know this as fact. Do you know as a FACT that he even knew how many shooters there were? Like was he 100% sure there was only 1 shooter and he knew where he was?
The officer knew in what general direction the shooting was coming from,
quote:Again, do we know that 100%? Or maybe he looked but at that point the shooter was gone?
They had an armed policemen on site and he literally did nothing, the city police responded sooner. So what good does it do to have an officer on site?
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:35 pm to shel311
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So he did what he was trained to do?
I'm pretty sure they have another protocol for a mass/school shooter that takes precedent over "outdoor gunfire", but I could be mistaken. Someone has mentioned standard protocol is to wait for 4 officers to form a V and move forward, but you're not supposed to wait long for help. If no one is coming or arrives quickly, you move in alone.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:36 pm to windshieldman
If he couldn't tell if the shots were fired inside of the building then how did this guy get a job as a cop? He was literally 10 feet from the building. It had to have been obvious
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:36 pm to Fa Sheaux Breaux
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Says the one who would probably piss his pants if put in that same position.
I've had a gun in my face a few times, a knife too. Not once have I ever frozen up, much less pissed myself. Call it an inability to accept my own mortality.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:36 pm to shel311
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A lot of students died at Columbine b/c the police never entered the building.quote:
ok, we're not talking about Columbine.
But one of the lessons from Columbine was that police aren't just supposed to sit around trying to figure something out. If there is an active shooter, you deploy immediate to find and eliminate that threat.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:37 pm to baldona
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Engaging a suspect firing at others would give you a huge tactical advantage. The officer knew in what general direction the shooting was coming from, while the suspect has no idea what direction the police are. Furthermore, no one is asking to actually engage him but he waited outside and had absolutely no idea where the suspect was. They had an armed policemen on site and he literally did nothing, the city police responded sooner. So what good does it do to have an officer on site?
I think the thing is, new evidence is supposedly there saying all this is wrong. Basically, most of the people unless they were right there by the shooter had no idea where shooter was. The officer had a difficult time locating him. There is radio traffic supposedly of him trying to figure out where shooter is and someone telling him shooter is outside.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:37 pm to windshieldman
This is a perfect example of how dangerous the media can be. I will admit, I called the dude a pussy when it was reported that he decided to stay outside after hearing the gunshots, which were inside.
From now on, anytime there is a newsworthy event. I am going to wait about 3 weeks before even paying attention to any story that comes out, that is in relation to the event. These news companies get secondhand information and quickly write an article about it, because it is something new that the other news organizations haven't reported yet. It doesn't matter how accurate it is.
From now on, anytime there is a newsworthy event. I am going to wait about 3 weeks before even paying attention to any story that comes out, that is in relation to the event. These news companies get secondhand information and quickly write an article about it, because it is something new that the other news organizations haven't reported yet. It doesn't matter how accurate it is.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:37 pm to lsupride87
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This is correct. A fricking hardened navy seal isnt going to run in like some fricking banshee all willy nilly. He is useless doing so. Even he will assess the situation first to figure out wtf is going on
You assess the situation in 10 seconds, not 3-4 minutes. There's no reason the school resource officer shouldn't have been the first law enforcement officer to engage.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:37 pm to baldona
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The officer knew in what general direction the shooting was coming from
Where have you seen this?
Then you said this:
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he had absolutely no idea where the suspect was.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:37 pm to Topwater Trout
What would qualify one resource officer to go in without backup?
PD don't go in without backup.
PD don't go in without backup.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:38 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Do we know with 100% certainty that this officer did not do that? We know he didn't find/engage the shooter, would you bet your life savings that you know with no doubts that he did not try to find the shooter?
But one of the lessons from Columbine was that police aren't just supposed to sit around trying to figure something out.
Maybe he didn't, I just know nothing is a fact from what I gather.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:39 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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If he couldn't tell if the shots were fired inside of the building then how did this guy get a job as a cop? He was literally 10 feet from the building. It had to have been obvious
B/c there is a difference in movies and real life. Bullets echo, people telling him shooter is outside, radio reports of a person on the football field is shot dead, etc. People hollering and screaming.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:39 pm to baldona
quote:And what if he looked for the shooter outside because that is what students and others were telling him where the shooter was?
You assess the situation in 10 seconds, not 3-4 minutes. There's no reason the school resource officer shouldn't have been the first law enforcement officer to engage.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:39 pm to windshieldman
Complete horseshite.
When you are standing just outside of a building, you can tell shots fired inside the building from those outside, especially when those outside the building aren't close by and they could not have been close by, otherwise he would have been shot at and/or seen the person firing. This is a total fabrication for him to save face.
That guy, and the three others that did nothing are 100% pussies.
When you are standing just outside of a building, you can tell shots fired inside the building from those outside, especially when those outside the building aren't close by and they could not have been close by, otherwise he would have been shot at and/or seen the person firing. This is a total fabrication for him to save face.
That guy, and the three others that did nothing are 100% pussies.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:40 pm to baldona
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You assess the situation in 10 seconds, not 3-4 minutes. There's no reason the school resource officer shouldn't have been the first law enforcement officer to engage.
What did he say on the radio? What was said to him?
This report is saying he was told the shooter was outside.
Just let the facts come out.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:41 pm to windshieldman
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B/c there is a difference in movies and real life
I know, that's why I said it had to have been obvious.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:41 pm to starsandstripes
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Complete horseshite.
When you are standing just outside of a building, you can tell shots fired inside the building from those outside, especially when those outside the building aren't close by and they could not have been close by, otherwise he would have been shot at and/or seen the person firing. This is a total fabrication for him to save face.
That guy, and the three others that did nothing are 100% pussies.
There is always the chance the deputy is just incompetent and not a pussy.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:41 pm to windshieldman
There's always multiple shooters when you rock a tin-foil hat.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:41 pm to baldona
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You assess the situation in 10 seconds, not 3-4 minutes. There's no reason the school resource officer shouldn't have been the first law enforcement officer to engage.
Exactly. It doesn't take several minutes to pinpoint the source of gunfire. You could probably even follow the stream of fleeing kids. They're running from that direction... maybe I should head that way.
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