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re: Interesting: murder rates are down from 1970 due to medical advances ,not fewer attempts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:08 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:08 pm to upgrayedd
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I have a very hard time believing this stat given the fact that it shows only a small rise in the 2020-2023 era
It's possible, but I don't know what data reports that.
Also, just FWIW, the post-Covid spike has subsided and returned crime to less than 2019 levels in some cases. So even if the data is off a bit in that Covid spike era, it's returned to normalcy of insanely low rates.
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 1:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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1995 in NYC just “feels” safer to people than 2025 nyc
I had family in NYC in 1995. This is next level dumb. Quite possibly the worst example you could conjure up
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:02 am to SlowFlowPro
My bad, I thought burglary included cars and such.
Guess burglary is only for inhabited building or structures.... I apparently did not know the proper definition.
Guess burglary is only for inhabited building or structures.... I apparently did not know the proper definition.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 7:05 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:53 am to EmperorGout
quote:Mass incarceration of the 90s.
The problem with this argument is that all manner of violent, property, and sexual crimes are down across the board from their 70s/80s heyday. You can debate the reasons why.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also, just FWIW, the post-Covid spike has subsided and returned crime to less than 2019 levels in some cases. So even if the data is off a bit in that Covid spike era, it's returned to normalcy of insanely low rates.
There are a lot of precincts that are either not responding or not reporting things like burglary, theft, etc. Hell, just look at places like CA, especially SF. IIRC, there are even places like PHX that aren’t even reporting their murder numbers and I makes it look like violet crime is going down on a national scale. I don’t think the numbers being reported are even close to representing the reality on the ground due to state and local officials playing politics.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:01 am to SuperSaint
quote:Credibility is immediately lost when you use this stupid arse term
unalived
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:41 am to lsu777
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yea thats complete and utter bullshite. Violence is way way down in most cities. Now it might not be as isolated as it was back then but violence in general is way down.
the 80-90s crack epidemic and drug culture in places like Baltimore, St Louis, Nola, even Los Angles and the herion epidemic in NYC in the 70s and early 80s and in places like Newark along with mob violence tells you this is BS.
there are less gun shot victims in general...plus all other violent crime is down.
if you are going to post things, at least try and understand them and verify truth before just running at the mouth.
Yeah, violent crimes in many big cities is a fraction of what it was in the 70s-80s.
NYC, for example, has a violent crime rate that's about the same as Fort Worth Texas or Colorado Springs and 1/2 that of Pensacola, Huntsville AL or Knoxville.
Certain media loves to paint a different picture of crime since it's great political capital though.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:47 am to wm72
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Yeah, violent crimes in many big cities is a fraction of what it was in the 70s-80s.
NYC, for example, has a violent crime rate that's about the same as Fort Worth Texas or Colorado Springs and 1/2 that of Pensacola, Huntsville AL or Knoxville.
Certain media loves to paint a different picture of crime since it's great political capital though.
to be fair...i was there last week and there are still certain areas I wouldnt want to go in. Like outside yankee stadium in the bronx.....I wouldnt want to go more than a block or 2 away from the stadium if that. I also wouldnt be in harlem after dark walking around.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:02 pm to lsu777
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to be fair...i was there last week and there are still certain areas I wouldnt want to go in. Like outside yankee stadium in the bronx
Yeah, I'd add East NY in Brooklyn out near JFK airport too. Bronx has a lot of sketchy parts though Harlem is pretty gentrified these days.
However those areas don't really leak out all over the city where a vast proportion of seems very safe.
And, there's really not many cities or towns anywhere in America where you can't find some areas you don't really want to be strolling around in after dark.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:11 pm to wm72
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Yeah, I'd add East NY in Brooklyn out near JFK airport too. Bronx has a lot of sketchy parts though Harlem is pretty gentrified these days.
However those areas don't really leak out all over the city where a vast proportion of seems very safe.
And, there's really not many cities or towns anywhere in America where you can't find some areas you don't really want to be strolling around in after dark.
of course and if you are in Upper eastside south and all along the westside to midtown south and ...its amazing how clean the city is and how safe it is.
i dunno about harlem being gentrified, go ride down adam clayton powell and its not
as far as bad areas, Jamacia Queens is prolly the worst but you also have some great parts of Queens also....like you said, every city has its bad areas
but overall the city is safe AF.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Automobile Crash deaths are way down over the past 50 years per mile driven due to better medical care, better emergency services, better communication technology, safer automobiles and better/safer roads.
On the negative side is distracted drivers, more vehicles on the roads, and arguably less competent drivers (who knew that driving an imaginary car recklessly around Liberty City does not make one a better driver?)
Also, in general, the preponderance of Altimas on the roads are negatively impacting national safety statistics.
Automobile Crash deaths are way down over the past 50 years per mile driven due to better medical care, better emergency services, better communication technology, safer automobiles and better/safer roads.
On the negative side is distracted drivers, more vehicles on the roads, and arguably less competent drivers (who knew that driving an imaginary car recklessly around Liberty City does not make one a better driver?)
Also, in general, the preponderance of Altimas on the roads are negatively impacting national safety statistics.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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1995 in NYC just “feels” safer to people than 2025 nyc
What? Maybe if you had said "than 2019" to account for some lingering Covid crap. But come on, dude. 1995 NYC was still just barely coming out of near dystopia.Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I guess it comes down to stats vs experience
1995 in NYC just “feels” safer to people than 2025 nyc
Maybe if these people are following the media outlets exaggerating crime instead of actually walking around Brooklyn neighborhoods? Vast areas of Manhattan and Brooklyn that seemed sketchy even in 2010 now feel ultra safe.
The only outlier I can think of was 2021-2022 after the city let tons of mentally ill people out of facilities during the height of the Covid pandemic. I assume is was to avoid lawsuits ect if they or staff would have died in facilities. For those 2 years, a lot of the city had crazy people all over but they've them rounded back up now.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I guess it comes down to stats vs experience
1995 in NYC just “feels” safer to people than 2025 nyc
no it doesnt. thats nostalgia. The 60s-~95-96 the city was not good. Even in 95 it was just getting out from the strangle hold the mob had on the city and wasnt even fully out from under it.
anyone that thinks 1995 Manhattan was safer or "felt" safer is delusional and living in a fair tale land.
i was there last week and one of the biggest things my dad pointed out was how clean it was and how safe he felt while in Manhattan. Said "nothing like on TV"
stop letting social media BS and 24/7 news cycle try and convince you of something that isnt true.
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