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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:44 am to dewster
With overpasses or without? If there is an overpass at the lights so that the toll roads dont stop then great.. But charge people to bypass barely half the traffic in the city and require them to stop at every light on airline? 
c'mon..
I just havent seen yet where it was concrete that this new road wasnt just a pay to go down new pavment along airline.
This is key but AJF was alluding to being doubtful (affordable) that this occurs. Can you clarify AJF?
c'mon.. I just havent seen yet where it was concrete that this new road wasnt just a pay to go down new pavment along airline.
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which will need some viaducts and elevated sections over the big intersections
This is key but AJF was alluding to being doubtful (affordable) that this occurs. Can you clarify AJF?
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:48 am to Catman88
They'll have to install overpasses over the intersections for the freeway, not for Airline.
Once again.....please take a look at Beltway 8 in Houston or the West Bank expressway for a template that appears to be what they are envisioning for this, only smaller in scale. The tolls collected from the freeway will back bonds that will finance the construction and minimize the cost to taxpayers, who will still have capacity on airline that won't be tolled.
It's a reasonable plan that will help tremendously if they don't cock it up. Much better than the other loop proposals, IMO.
Once again.....please take a look at Beltway 8 in Houston or the West Bank expressway for a template that appears to be what they are envisioning for this, only smaller in scale. The tolls collected from the freeway will back bonds that will finance the construction and minimize the cost to taxpayers, who will still have capacity on airline that won't be tolled.
It's a reasonable plan that will help tremendously if they don't cock it up. Much better than the other loop proposals, IMO.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:49 am to dewster
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Google map the West Bank expressway
Elevated expressways can be useful, but the WBE is not without its problems. Most of those problems stem from the people driving on it, but there are some flaws in design that exacerbate the problems.
You end up with some people driving 40mph in a 60 and others driving 80 in a 60, and not enough room to merge to enter or exit.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:51 am to dewster
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They'll have to install overpasses over the intersections.
And again thats is ok with me..
But its been discussed by AJF that there isnt enough money to do this. I dont need to look at what someone else spent money on when its not mentioned that this will occur on this project. Beltway 8 project in Houston has zero to do with this project. Was there a part in the article that linked the two? Are you just taking a guess what they will do with this project on very limited money?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:51 am to Catman88
It could be that I misunderstood the article. I didn't catch where there would be a new 4-lane corridor along Airline Highway. If that facility is high speed and limited access, it will require grade separations at intersections, just like an interstate. I'm unsure if that new road will have ramps to and from the surface streets like an interstate would. That would probably be determined if/when this idea moves along.
Sorry for the misinformation, Catman.
ETA: As for the funding, this would be too much for the state to do in my opinion. But the funding would be via public private partnership, where a private entity would fund the construction and be paid back via tolls over time.
Sorry for the misinformation, Catman.
ETA: As for the funding, this would be too much for the state to do in my opinion. But the funding would be via public private partnership, where a private entity would fund the construction and be paid back via tolls over time.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:52 am to Catman88
The state has limited funds for this.....that's why they'll rely in a toll authority like the one that exists in many other areas- including the one responsible for the causeway bridge.
With one-way service roads, you can put access points all over the place really. It's a solid plan.
People in North Baton Rouge will go crazy over it.
With one-way service roads, you can put access points all over the place really. It's a solid plan.
People in North Baton Rouge will go crazy over it.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:54 am to The Sad Banana
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I wasn't born here, I've only been here since 2000. But correct me if I'm wrong in saying that Bluebonnet and Siegen and maybe even Essen had been the sticks in the recent past, right? The way the City is laid out now is not conducive to a big city traffic pattern.
On the other hand, you've got outlying burbs in Houston with local streets that are 6 lanes. That's just incredible when you think about it. But Texas has a massive tax base.
In the 70s, Essen was a dirt road through a farmer's field. When the interstate project was coming through, that farmer donated a large chunk of land to the nuns for a hospital knowing that if there was a hospital there, that Essen would get an interchange. He was right and he sold the rest of the property for a massive profit to developers.
All of the areas south of College are like this. We need more surface streets to connect College, Essen, Bluebonnet, and Siegan. We need an I-10 interchange at Pecue, we need more surface streets with overpasses over I-10. We need a bike path that follows Dawson's/Ward Creek from the LSU Lakes to the Mall of Louisiana. We need street cars that run from Nicholson @ Lee past the Capital to the Airport and from Cortana to the River Center, with a possible spur connecting LSU to the Overpass area to the Mall of Louisiana. We desperately need another lane on I-10 coming off the bridge into Baton Rouge. We need to 4 lane Nicholson past Lee. We need turn lanes at Nicholson and Lee. We need turn lanes on Highland road, or better yet, 4 lane it with an oak tree filled median. We need to sync the lights on Government and Airline. We need a southern loop that goes from Denham and roughly follows Bayou Manchac, crossing the Mississippi just south of Laberge. We need a northern loop that connects Denham to where 190, Airline, and 110 meet.
We could do it if they spent the money actually building things rather than studying things that have already been studied half a hundred times.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:54 am to The Sad Banana
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it will require grade separations at intersections, just like an interstate
Would a "grade separation" be an overpass? Im not familiar with the term.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:54 am to Catman88
Oh, yeah...that's what that means in fancy terms. Sorry.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:55 am to The Sad Banana
ahhhhh 
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:56 am to Catman88
At- grade is basically a surface intersection or crossing like Airline at Choctaw or Airline at Highland.
Grade separated is like the crossing at Jefferson at Airline or Florida at Airline. This is a better alternative for busy highways or rail crossings, but it's more expensive and takes more space.
Grade separated is like the crossing at Jefferson at Airline or Florida at Airline. This is a better alternative for busy highways or rail crossings, but it's more expensive and takes more space.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:56 am to Catman88
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Would a "grade separation" be an overpass? Im not familiar with the term.
Grade seperation means that one road is at a different elevation, or grade, than the other road. That can be accomplished with an overpass or by digging under like on Acadian at the railroad tracks. Digging down can work in places like Texas, but Louisiana is too wet for that to really work very well.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:58 am to kingbob
Highland Road is already four-laned (see Burbank Drive). What you need are a few more connectors between Highland and Burbank.
As for everything else -
As for everything else -
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:58 am to kingbob
They can bury it....they just need a large catch basin and overflow pump to avoid problems like what you see at the Governor's Mansion curve. You always run the risk of a pump failure or just an insane amount of precip in a short period of time. It's not physically impossible. A lot of people prefer underpasses for aesthetic reasons.
The new underpass outside of the Hollywood Casino is a good example of that. They've been talking about building a tunnel under Overton Park in Memphis for decades to re-route I-40....it would rely on a series of catch basis and pumps like that- and that is for a long section of freeway under ground. It could be scaled for an underpass.
Whatever setup they choose, a freeway along that route would not have a problem finding people willing to pay the tolls. It would help Baton Rouge significantly.
The new underpass outside of the Hollywood Casino is a good example of that. They've been talking about building a tunnel under Overton Park in Memphis for decades to re-route I-40....it would rely on a series of catch basis and pumps like that- and that is for a long section of freeway under ground. It could be scaled for an underpass.
Whatever setup they choose, a freeway along that route would not have a problem finding people willing to pay the tolls. It would help Baton Rouge significantly.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:59 am to kingbob
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In the 70s, Essen was a dirt road through a farmer's field. When the interstate project was coming through, that farmer donated a large chunk of land to the nuns for a hospital knowing that if there was a hospital there, that Essen would get an interchange. He was right and he sold the rest of the property for a massive profit to developers.
All of the areas south of College are like this. We need more surface streets to connect College, Essen, Bluebonnet, and Siegan. We need an I-10 interchange at Pecue, we need more surface streets with overpasses over I-10. We need a bike path that follows Dawson's/Ward Creek from the LSU Lakes to the Mall of Louisiana. We need street cars that run from Nicholson @ Lee past the Capital to the Airport and from Cortana to the River Center, with a possible spur connecting LSU to the Overpass area to the Mall of Louisiana. We desperately need another lane on I-10 coming off the bridge into Baton Rouge. We need to 4 lane Nicholson past Lee. We need turn lanes at Nicholson and Lee. We need turn lanes on Highland road, or better yet, 4 lane it with an oak tree filled median. We need to sync the lights on Government and Airline. We need a southern loop that goes from Denham and roughly follows Bayou Manchac, crossing the Mississippi just south of Laberge. We need a northern loop that connects Denham to where 190, Airline, and 110 meet.
We could do it if they spent the money actually building things rather than studying things that have already been studied half a hundred times.
kingbob for mayor of Baton Rouge!
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:02 am to Jimbeaux
Yes, that was a decent post by kingbob. Some pie in the sky, but it was logical.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:03 am to The Sad Banana
By the time they get finished cars will be flying making it useless.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:03 am to kingbob
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Grade seperation means that one road is at a different elevation, or grade, than the other road. That can be accomplished with an overpass or by digging under like on Acadian at the railroad tracks. Digging down can work in places like Texas, but Louisiana is too wet for that to really work very well.
I lived in Dallas 2 years, which was long enough to watch them build Spring Valley Tunnel start to finish as well as about 15 miles of the 190 turnpike. It's frustrating to see how slow we do shite here.
That turnpike in Dallas went through TONS of NIMBY properties. What do they do differently so as to say "frick YOU NIMBY! ROAD'S COMING THROUGH YOUR shite."?
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:06 am to The Sad Banana
The major fault with the BR interstate is the near 90 turn to get on to the bridge. It slows down traffic so much. Then the S curve on the 110.
Just a horrible layout rife with slow traffic problems.
Just a horrible layout rife with slow traffic problems.
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