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re: Impossible to pass tests
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:41 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:41 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I guarantee OP doesnt know how to count back change either.
I flip the burgers. The big dogs like you get to run the register and count change back.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:43 am to sleepytime
I just aced that in 40s flat.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:45 am to tigerfoot
I'm only referring to the teacher's method. Not the fact that she wants her kids to know the multiplication tables. Automaticity is important but shouldn't be the end-goal of teaching multiplication.
I guess I jumped the gun. If tables are the only thing that is being taught then the parent should speak with someone at the school.
I am a PE and I've never, ever had to know a multiplication product in seconds.
I guess I jumped the gun. If tables are the only thing that is being taught then the parent should speak with someone at the school.
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Go into an engineering program and not be able to know 9x8 is 72 in a millisecond.
I am a PE and I've never, ever had to know a multiplication product in seconds.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:46 am to WildManGoose
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I am a PE and I've never, ever had to know a multiplication product in seconds.
You use it literally daily, you just don't realize because you implicitly know it. By the time the 9 year old is 11 he will too
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:20 pm to WildManGoose
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I am a PE and I've never, ever had to know a multiplication product in seconds.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I get that, but I wouldn't say that ability is functionally important. And education curriculums today mirror that sentiment.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:25 pm to WildManGoose
quote:Automaticity is important for the basics.
Automaticity is important but shouldn't be the end-goal of teaching multiplication.
Why is this such a complex issue for some people?
No matter what you do in life, you want the absolute basic aspects to be performable with essentially no thought.
We don’t think about this because it is already automatic for us.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:27 pm to sleepytime
Are the other kids able to do it?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:28 pm to WildManGoose
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I get that, but I wouldn't say that ability is functionally important
You don't think knowing how to multiply is functionally important?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:31 pm to WildManGoose
quote:It absolutely is.
I wouldn't say that ability is functionally important.
Scruffy will give you an example.
His sister is an ophthalmologist. For her boards, she had to perform long division. We went to different schools and her school allowed the use of a calculator at all times.
Scruffy’s didn’t allow him to use a calculator until 9th or 10th grade.
She couldn’t do long division without a calculator. She had to learn to do long division for her boards at the age of 29 because she wasn’t allowed to use a calculator.
The basics need to be rote memory.
That is the purpose here. Multiplication, division, all of the basics need to be memorized like the alphabet.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:55 pm to sleepytime
So 12 questions in 60 seconds? That's 5 seconds per question. Shouldn't be a problem if your kid has his multiplication memorized.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:08 pm to Murtown
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So 12 questions in 60 seconds?
50 questions in 60 seconds. That’s 1.2 seconds per question.
I don’t know how the other kids are doing, haven’t asked.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:55 pm to Scruffy
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She couldn’t do long division without a calculator. She had to learn to do long division for her boards at the age of 29 because she wasn’t allowed to use a calculator.
The basics need to be rote memory.
There must be something lost in translation, because I am not disagreeing with anything that is being said. My position is that tables are fine, useful even, but teaching them alone is no longer an accepted practice for successful education.
Scruffy gives bad examples though. Knowing an algorithm is not the same as memorizing multiplication products. That's precisely the point. Algorithms need to be taught as well.
Automaticity without deeper understanding is useless. It's like only teaching sight words and expecting a kid to spell and read. Or learning the victor of major battles with no historical or political context.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:11 pm to WildManGoose
The test might not be ideal but it's a great example of life as it really is.
Make sure your son spends the time to be able to spew back the table.
Kids have delusions about time for school vs time for games and tv.
No games, no tv.
Ace exam. Tv back on.
Accepting the requirement is first. Know that it must be done.
Make sure your son spends the time to be able to spew back the table.
Kids have delusions about time for school vs time for games and tv.
No games, no tv.
Ace exam. Tv back on.
Accepting the requirement is first. Know that it must be done.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:13 pm to CelticDog
Good time to get iq test.
Sq peg. Round holes.
From age 8, accurate across cultures.
Also check dyslexia.
If he's normal,its about time and focus. Tv off.
Sq peg. Round holes.
From age 8, accurate across cultures.
Also check dyslexia.
If he's normal,its about time and focus. Tv off.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:14 pm to sleepytime
Millennial math standard were dropped significantly. Me and my peers were starting simple Algebra by that age. Generation of dummies.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:43 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:this is false. Kids are way ahead of my age group at the same age. Especially with STEM.
significantly. Me and my peers were starting simple Algebra by that age. Generation of dummies.
I’m 49 and we let the Asians and Indians beat the hell out of us.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:47 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Me and my peers were starting simple Algebra by that age.
No you weren't.
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A new study from the Brookings Institution questioned the national push toward algebra-for-all by eighth grade, and found that the equation is a simple one: teaching algebra and other advanced math courses earlier than the ninth grade does not equal improved achievement.
Decades ago, baby boomers who took Algebra I usually took it in ninth grade or later. Today, the majority of U.S. students take something called Algebra I, but it's usually taught in eighth grade. Often, the class is a watered-down version of what Algebra I used to be — though the average eighth-grader is likely to say it's plenty tough.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:51 pm to sleepytime
It's not for math but memorization. Growing up, we had to do 100 in 60 seconds.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:27 pm to sleepytime
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See how many you can write the answer to
I made and printed my own with 50 questions in 60 second.
Got embarrassingly stumped on the 12’s but still finished with all correct in 56 seconds.
I’m not a big fan of speed testing anything but it is good practice for doing work in your head.
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