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re: Imperial Germany Could Have Won in 1918!
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:25 am to Champagne
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:25 am to Champagne
Bump.
I'd like to know more about this World War One British Commando Raid. I can find nothing about it anywhere on the internet. I've read many books on WWI over the years. None of them mention any such raid.
I'd like to know more about this World War One British Commando Raid. I can find nothing about it anywhere on the internet. I've read many books on WWI over the years. None of them mention any such raid.
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:51 am to prplhze2000
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He didn't understand strategic objectives. his whole strategy was just to break through the lines and grab territory. He did that, problem is the territory he seized was worthless and useless.
This is a good way to review the entire history of German conquest in the 20th century. What does one get when one takes territory? Automatically there is the tremendous task of pacifying locals, and for what? If there is no oil, manufacturing, or port, why do they want the territory?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:48 pm to tadman
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This is a good way to review the entire history of German conquest in the 20th century. What does one get when one takes territory? Automatically there is the tremendous task of pacifying locals, and for what? If there is no oil, manufacturing, or port, why do they want the territory?
counterpoint. the Sudetenland and Austria welcomed Germany with open arms. ethnic Germans are one of largest identifiable groups this side of China and India
including the United States by a pretty wide margin
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:56 pm to Champagne
I wonder if the guy who makes posts about “this day in military history” will start a thread tomorrow on the anniversary of the battle of the Somme?
I’ve been reading and watching anything I can get my hands on the Somme recently after visiting the battle field in April.
I’ve been reading and watching anything I can get my hands on the Somme recently after visiting the battle field in April.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:08 pm to tadman
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What does one get when one takes territory? Automatically there is the tremendous task of pacifying locals, and for what? If there is no oil, manufacturing, or port, why do they want the territory?
I think it’s important to put yourself into the mindset of the day. When WWI started, Germany was a fairly new country and insecure about being surrounded by “enemies”. They felt trapped.
And borders were much different back then. It was still much the days of Empires. Borders were fluid and conquering land was normal. Look at the map of Europe pre and post WWI. Completely different.
There was not a governing body in place to prevent this. Different times. Taking over a factory or farmland or access to the coast was a big deal.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:39 pm to kciDAtaE
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I wonder if the guy who makes posts about “this day in military history” will start a thread tomorrow on the anniversary of the battle of the Somme?
I’ve been reading and watching anything I can get my hands on the Somme recently after visiting the battle field in Apr
GREAT idea. Please do it. It's a a very interesting story.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:41 pm to kciDAtaE
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There was not a governing body in place to prevent this.
Both The League of Nations and the United Nations have utterly failed to do their main job - regulating/preventing warfare.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:46 pm to tadman
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This is a good way to review the entire history of German conquest in the 20th century.
I agree, and, I like the idea of being able to analyze the decisions of these German Generals like Ludendorff and be able to craft an informed opinion of their talents or lack thereof. If von Molke and Ludendorff were not very talented at formulating and executing strategy, IMHO, the military training and education of warfighters at their level was to blame, i.e. Imperial Germany's training of its Generals was not that great.
I think that today's military systems do a much better job.
On another note, I would really like Kiwi Head to tell us more about that World War One British Commando Raid that demolished the Romanian Oil Refineries. I can't find anything about it, and, I don't think it happened.
Where did he get such an idea?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:48 pm to kciDAtaE
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I think it’s important to put yourself into the mindset of the day. When WWI started, Germany was a fairly new country and insecure about being surrounded by “enemies”. They felt trapped.
BS, Bismarck bullied his way in to unifying Germany and disrupting the power balance on the continent.
It was so bad that it caused the Anglo French to not hate each other lol.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:49 pm to Champagne
I’d love to. But I have a flight in the morning. But you are right. Super interesting Battle That gets overlooked here in America bc it was the Brits getting slaughtered.
60,000 casualties and 20,000 deaths from the British Commonwealth alone in day one. DAY ONE!!!
Compare that to all of DDay. Tragic. And Haig the Butcher kept sending soldiers out of the trench for months. The Brits were so sure of their plan of attack, they were placing bets who could kick a soccer ball across no-man’s land first.
60,000 casualties and 20,000 deaths from the British Commonwealth alone in day one. DAY ONE!!!
Compare that to all of DDay. Tragic. And Haig the Butcher kept sending soldiers out of the trench for months. The Brits were so sure of their plan of attack, they were placing bets who could kick a soccer ball across no-man’s land first.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:51 pm to Champagne
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On another note, I would really like Kiwi Head to tell us more about that World War One British Commando Raid that demolished the Romanian Oil Refineries. I can't find anything about it, and, I don't think it happened.
It didn’t. Romania entering the war was a gain for Germany. Romania was put down quickly and Germany took over all of their resources.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:56 pm to Palmetto98
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BS, Bismarck bullied his way in to unifying Germany and disrupting the power balance on the continent.
That was in 1870. We are talking 40 years later. When Germany had built up their military and had a plan to beat France and Russia “if” the situation presented itself.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:02 pm to kciDAtaE
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That was in 1870. We are talking 40 years later. When Germany had built up their military and had a plan to beat France and Russia “if” the situation presented itself.
And why was France allied with Russia? The unification of Germany is the stem cause for WW1, plain and simple. Without these anti Germany defensive alliances , the Australian assassination would’ve been a local regionalized issue.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:18 pm to Palmetto98
That’s what I’m saying. Germany was insecure that their neighbors had an alliance. That’s why they were quick to go to war.
No. Just no. You can blame a host of reasons why WWI started but you can’t blame the unification of Germany.
If you trying to say that if Bismarck didn’t win the Franco—Prussian war then Germany isn’t a country and they never get to escalate WWI, you can. But that is ridiculous.
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The unification of Germany is the stem cause for WW1
No. Just no. You can blame a host of reasons why WWI started but you can’t blame the unification of Germany.
If you trying to say that if Bismarck didn’t win the Franco—Prussian war then Germany isn’t a country and they never get to escalate WWI, you can. But that is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:29 pm to Champagne
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Imperial Germany had a brief window from March to May 1918 in which they had numerical superiority on the Western Front
Speaking of which there’s a great movie you can YouTube called “All Is Quiet on The Western Front”. It’s long but well done, relating to this subject and cast from the German point of view. Stars Richard Thomas(John Boy from the Waltons). The ending is the kicker as well!
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:30 pm to kciDAtaE
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No. Just no. You can blame a host of reasons why WWI started but you can’t blame the unification of Germany. If you trying to say that if Bismarck didn’t win the Franco—Prussian war then Germany isn’t a country and they never get to escalate WWI, you can. But that is ridiculous.
Bismarck bullied Germany in to an over extended empire position which started falling apart after he left and pvssed off his European neighbors in to allying against him.
Would there still be WW1 if Bismarck hadn’t done this? Debatable. Would WW1 be a ticked off Europe vs Germany and its scrap Allies? Hell no, WW1 was a war of German containment plain and simple. There’s a reason the Prussian culture was eradicated after WW2.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:35 pm to Crimson1st
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All Is Quiet on The Western Front”
Great book
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