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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:05 pm to Gabapentin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:05 pm to Gabapentin
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Cellphones
In what way?
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:13 pm to SwampyWaters
You forgot a few things:
Destruction of the nuclear family (divorce)
Social media
Liberal teachers/professors
Destruction of the nuclear family (divorce)
Social media
Liberal teachers/professors
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:23 pm to low end
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:27 pm to low end
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This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:30 pm to SwampyWaters
Very interesting and well though out analysis. Appreciate hearing the perspectives of an educator on these matters. 
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:37 pm to sodcutterjones
Who are you to say where God should or shouldn’t be? That’s laughable
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Agreed. Now which God?
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Agreed. Now which God?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:58 pm to bayoubengals88
Aristotle was a Homosexual who had sex with boys 
Why you using that Homosexual Predator as an example of anything?
Why you using that Homosexual Predator as an example of anything?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:07 pm to SwampyWaters
In my experience, the issue was with lazy, pathetic teachers.
One young English teacher would show up late on a daily basis. I remember watching her walk down the hallway 5-10 minutes late - she couldnt walk any slower without falling over. When she finally showed up, she had a large stack of worksheets in hand. Her idea of teaching was handing out an endless amount of busy work until the period was over. To top it all off, she was miserable to deal with. Every day she was in a rotten mood.
One older science teacher was pleasant to deal with but also showed late each and every day. He was also too lazy to write up his own test. Instead, he would use the one that came with the textbook. However, it wasnt the current textbook. The school obtained new textbooks but the test came from the discarded books. Some of the exam material wasnt covered. As a result, the grades were horrible. Pathetically enough, he won teacher of the year. As you can imagine it was based on seniority and not quality.
Another science teacher had to be 80 years old. The student grades suffered as we thought she had dementia. She was also a miserable human being.
A history teacher showed up on time but his idea of teaching was telling us to read out of the book and showing movies. Anther rotten person to deal with.
There were some teachers that I thought had dementia!
I could go on and on. If it wasnt for the lousy teacher's union they all would have been fired a long time ago.
One young English teacher would show up late on a daily basis. I remember watching her walk down the hallway 5-10 minutes late - she couldnt walk any slower without falling over. When she finally showed up, she had a large stack of worksheets in hand. Her idea of teaching was handing out an endless amount of busy work until the period was over. To top it all off, she was miserable to deal with. Every day she was in a rotten mood.
One older science teacher was pleasant to deal with but also showed late each and every day. He was also too lazy to write up his own test. Instead, he would use the one that came with the textbook. However, it wasnt the current textbook. The school obtained new textbooks but the test came from the discarded books. Some of the exam material wasnt covered. As a result, the grades were horrible. Pathetically enough, he won teacher of the year. As you can imagine it was based on seniority and not quality.
Another science teacher had to be 80 years old. The student grades suffered as we thought she had dementia. She was also a miserable human being.
A history teacher showed up on time but his idea of teaching was telling us to read out of the book and showing movies. Anther rotten person to deal with.
There were some teachers that I thought had dementia!
I could go on and on. If it wasnt for the lousy teacher's union they all would have been fired a long time ago.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:13 pm to SwampyWaters
Its a myriad of reasons but the big three:
1) Parenting - children are a product of parenting. Routines, vocabulary, problem solving, conflict resolution, discipline. Children who have parents who invest in their education will, on average, exhibit higher achievement in academic settings. The simple explanation - educated parents have educated children. Uneducated parents are less likely to value education, thus not teach their children basic skills, do homework with them, or demonstrate behavior which is conducive to siting quietly in a classroom all day absorbing knowledge.
2) Trauma - children are products of environment. Children who develop from infancy in a predictable, secure environment; score better in academics than children who carry trauma. Trauma can be physical or psychological abuse, but also not knowing if you are going to have electricity, food, or shelter. Children who are neglected by absent parents (perhaps working two-three jobs) or have parents who have a difficult divorce are also victims of trauma. Lack of structure = instability and is a strong predictor of academic difficulty. How children cope with trauma varies. They could be shy, or violent, or unable to focus, or emotionally immature. Some form of trauma impacts over half the children in America.
3) Biological and Nutritional Inequality - development begins at conception. Mothers who absorb toxins during pregnancy - lead, harmful drugs, alcohol, tobacco, unhealthy foods, etc. - can impact a fetus' life and potential for academic success. Mothers who have access to prenatal care and follow best practices during pregnancy are more likely to have healthy children. In infancy, protein rich foods, like milk, fruits and vegetables, all help a child develop physically in the brain and increase academic potential. Kids who eat cheap; sugary, processed or fast foods do not develop cognitively the same as children who eat healthy. Also - cognitive development requires more stimulation than electric screens. Children must learn to socially engage from birth. The brain is a muscle which needs to learn to think, just like legs learn to walk. The majority of this development occurs in the first few years, before children enter school. By the time teachers interact with students - children are at measurable biological advantages and disadvantages.
#1 all of these - Single teenagers who lack education, resources, and a stable family environment, are most likely to have offspring who fail in primary education. The rise in this single demographic correlates with issues you are seeing in academics.
I am basically saying these parents have neither the time, ability, resources, or honestly the motivation to raise their children. And as the population increases, poverty becomes more widespread, and now with new abortion restrictions having a demographic impact; get ready for this problem to get much worse.
1) Parenting - children are a product of parenting. Routines, vocabulary, problem solving, conflict resolution, discipline. Children who have parents who invest in their education will, on average, exhibit higher achievement in academic settings. The simple explanation - educated parents have educated children. Uneducated parents are less likely to value education, thus not teach their children basic skills, do homework with them, or demonstrate behavior which is conducive to siting quietly in a classroom all day absorbing knowledge.
2) Trauma - children are products of environment. Children who develop from infancy in a predictable, secure environment; score better in academics than children who carry trauma. Trauma can be physical or psychological abuse, but also not knowing if you are going to have electricity, food, or shelter. Children who are neglected by absent parents (perhaps working two-three jobs) or have parents who have a difficult divorce are also victims of trauma. Lack of structure = instability and is a strong predictor of academic difficulty. How children cope with trauma varies. They could be shy, or violent, or unable to focus, or emotionally immature. Some form of trauma impacts over half the children in America.
3) Biological and Nutritional Inequality - development begins at conception. Mothers who absorb toxins during pregnancy - lead, harmful drugs, alcohol, tobacco, unhealthy foods, etc. - can impact a fetus' life and potential for academic success. Mothers who have access to prenatal care and follow best practices during pregnancy are more likely to have healthy children. In infancy, protein rich foods, like milk, fruits and vegetables, all help a child develop physically in the brain and increase academic potential. Kids who eat cheap; sugary, processed or fast foods do not develop cognitively the same as children who eat healthy. Also - cognitive development requires more stimulation than electric screens. Children must learn to socially engage from birth. The brain is a muscle which needs to learn to think, just like legs learn to walk. The majority of this development occurs in the first few years, before children enter school. By the time teachers interact with students - children are at measurable biological advantages and disadvantages.
#1 all of these - Single teenagers who lack education, resources, and a stable family environment, are most likely to have offspring who fail in primary education. The rise in this single demographic correlates with issues you are seeing in academics.
I am basically saying these parents have neither the time, ability, resources, or honestly the motivation to raise their children. And as the population increases, poverty becomes more widespread, and now with new abortion restrictions having a demographic impact; get ready for this problem to get much worse.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:17 pm to SwampyWaters
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The reality of education is we are falling further and further behind each year and it's only going to get worse. As a teacher only a few years away from retirement, I often wonder what lies ahead for future teachers. There is already a shortage of teachers and young teachers are quitting every day because they want to be a teacher, not a babysitter. Sadly, we all know nothing will change, which means less teachers and more students going out into the world without the basic skills needed to hold a job. The good news is the numbers will still look great and those in charge will continue to get big pay raises for a job not well done.
The government, state, local, ISD can no longer perform the function. Private schools likely would lead to better outcome. I'd support school choice if it affected me. My kids are educated already.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:18 pm to SwampyWaters
I have not read all replies but here's a list of a few things that come to mind for me :
* creation of the federal Dept. of Education
* the OVER-regulation of special education has put tremendous burdens on teachers--not saying regulation of SPED is bad, just how crazy regulated it is with all the rules for inclusion
* focus on testing
* dropping phonics in favor of "whole language" bullshite, not teaching grammar and spelling
* common core standards in all disciplines not just math
* too many 'mandates', must teach this and that--climate change, sex ed, pride month, women's history, black history, not enough time to teach everything and in a cohesive way
*ridiculous amounts of "documenting data" and filing reports
*a generation of parents who think their child can do no wrong, kids who don't know how to lose because they get trophies for everything
*PBS- positive behavior support--not allowing punishments, only rewards
I will think of more.....this is the tip of the iceberg
* creation of the federal Dept. of Education
* the OVER-regulation of special education has put tremendous burdens on teachers--not saying regulation of SPED is bad, just how crazy regulated it is with all the rules for inclusion
* focus on testing
* dropping phonics in favor of "whole language" bullshite, not teaching grammar and spelling
* common core standards in all disciplines not just math
* too many 'mandates', must teach this and that--climate change, sex ed, pride month, women's history, black history, not enough time to teach everything and in a cohesive way
*ridiculous amounts of "documenting data" and filing reports
*a generation of parents who think their child can do no wrong, kids who don't know how to lose because they get trophies for everything
*PBS- positive behavior support--not allowing punishments, only rewards
I will think of more.....this is the tip of the iceberg
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:55 pm to ronricks
Missing the forest for the trees.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:08 pm to Ingeniero
THIS is the answer and no one wants to acknowledge it.
Children not growing up in a household with married, biological parents is the biggest problem in education today.
We should be teaching students to get an education or learn a trade, get a job, get married, and then have kids...in that order.
Children not growing up in a household with married, biological parents is the biggest problem in education today.
We should be teaching students to get an education or learn a trade, get a job, get married, and then have kids...in that order.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:24 pm to low end
and poor parenting.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:26 pm to au4you
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1. Removal of God from the classroom
Grew up in a good public school system in Alabama during the 90s and God was never a part of the classroom.
Exactly. God was removed from the classroom when I was in maybe 3rd or 4th grade. That was 55 years ago. It's truly not the problem.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:32 pm to SwampyWaters
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1. Removal of God from the classroom
Yep. Stopped reading right there.
Dumb.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:34 pm to SwampyWaters
You are right on all three counts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:15 pm to SwampyWaters
The real answer is there's a systematic campaign to destroy this country from the inside out. When you look at it through that lens, the actions of our government start to make sense.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:13 pm to SwampyWaters
Started with the creation of the “Department of Education”… consistent with the creation of the “Department of Energy.” We’re neither energy secure nor educated these days.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:57 pm to Obtuse1
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When I first started hearing about this I took some time to investigate it and pretty quickly figured out that is how I naturally manipulated large numbers since I was a child. I had tried to explain it to my mother when I was 8 or 9 and was hit with "that is too complicated".
Admittedly I am coming at it as being a very natural way to manipulate numbers since that is how I still do it today 50 years on but I think adults that think it is dumb simply don't get the elegance and have been doing basic math differently their whole lives but I would likely feel the same way if it didn't come naturally to me.
There are even better ways, even more foreign to most of us, to do simple math. The people you can hit with what is 658 * 4794 and they almost immediately reply 3,154,452 did not "write" 4794 over 658 in their mind.
100%! People that call bullshite on common core math don't have a good understanding of math or numbers in general. It just shows you how little people actually do understand numbers and why our country continues to be passed up by other countries in math and sciences. Like you, I easily and quickly do all kinds of math in our head. People that complain are just mad that they don't understand.
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