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re: I'm Black and I live in Baton Rouge...my opinion of the Alton Sterling shooting

Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:55 am to
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:55 am to
I am white and lived in NBR from 60's-70's and 2004 to 2014.
From 2004 to 2014 I owned rental property.
It's bull that the property not worth much and there is not much generated in property taxes. I guess that person forgot that if you rent property you don't get homestead exemption on that property. On a duplex 1 unit two sides I paid $570 to $650 each side. One duplex I would pay over $1,000 in property taxes. I bet the avg person in St George probably lives in their house and gets homestead exemption. On avg $140k home I think we can estimate someone pays on avg $600 ish to $700 something.

The big problem with NBR and I lived onsite to manage my properties

1. Single mothers are not raising their kids. They use them to get federal assistance. Then their daughters have babies and it is basically kids raising kids that are raising kids. Most sit on the porch starting around 2 pm smoking weed or hooked on other drugs doing nothing all day. Their kids are not children to them they are a govt pay check.

2. Drug trade is strong and I bet these single mothers have more cash in their pocket than people who work for a living. The mother is never around until Brpd makes an arrest then the mamma all of a sudden shows up. The shootings from drug dealers trying to rip off customers starts around 8 pm Friday and rolls through Sunday evening. Sat night is the worst time for shootings.

3. I ran into a lot of potential tenants who have a section 8 voucher. They move their kids in the duplex while they live elsewhere. Basically the kids cause trouble, deal drugs, and live by themselves on the tax payer. If you try to evict them going through the govt is a long process. I seen landlords evict tenants and they will come back that night and see the former tenants trashing their place. I did see in one case a a young African American jump on the roof butt naked swinging his woo hoo all over the place. I have also seen one person rent a place on section 8 and 4 families move in.

I tried to avoid section 8 except for some good tenants mostly elderly people which are a diamond in the rough. It is hard for good property owners to keep rent down, keep the places clean, and attract good tenants. Section 8 also raises an areas rent. I had tenants at $575 since I bought my places in 2004 and never went up in those tenants until I sold out in 2014. All around me section 8 was paying $1,200 a month for places that are trashed. One unit had so many roaches the living room ceiling caved in from roaches. The landlords in this area that were not accepting section 8 were charging $875 a month to $950 a month going through tenants like a revolving door. My units were paid off in 7 years which included the cost of updating my units. I seen the many landlords go bankrupt dealing with section 8 tenants or taking the first tenant waving cash instead of doing background checks on their tenants.

4. Better landlords just get fed up and sell out to slum lords.

If BLM cared why are they not solving problems in the African American community?
The Latinos in the area that rented duplexes would walk their kids to the school bus and walk them home. You would see the African American kids running around, no parental supervision, and in the evening starting fights on the school bus.

The only group that can solve the issues of NBR are the people that destroyed it. Until businesses, people with enough money to leave NBR stay, and the single mothers get their act together NBR will be an empty field with abandon buildings falling down.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95671 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:57 am to
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Nailed it.


DC (and the OP) has a point about the money, for sure.

If Mr. and Mrs. Carter decide to take the entire clan to see Finding Dory, they can have their people call down to the cinema, get a screen closed and make that happen - and not for as much as you might expect - I suspect the owner would enjoy the publicity in these days of social media overexposure of absolutely everything.

And this isn't an old money situation - reminiscent of one Elvis Aaron Presley - born poor white trash, turned rich white king - he had to have private showings of films and usually just rented out the entire cinema (back before 56-plexes and such) for the TCB/Memphis Mafia to even be able to watch a show without a riot (the good kind - screaming teenage girls) breaking out.

Now, if my poor white arse calls and asks for a private screening of the new all-girl Ghostbusters film, I think they would just hang up after all the laughing died down.
Posted by TIGERBAIT2020
The Red Zone
Member since Aug 2004
802 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:15 pm to
TLDR
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21257 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:21 pm to
Putting people in jail cost the city money and most of the people that get arrested that don't have a job do not pay their fines.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92362 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Aaron

Aron
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
17066 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:27 pm to
As many have said, the revenue generating angle just doesn't sit. These people don't pay their fines. It most likely costs the city much more to arrest them.

Revenue generation comes from traffic tickets. Most middle class and up people shut up, bow their head, and pay the fine.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95671 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

Aron


Interesting story and your position has support (mainly just the birth certificate, but that's a good one). But there is a stronger case for Aaron. I'll just leave it at that.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92362 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

. But there is a stronger case for Aaron. I'll just leave it at that.

I think they originally spelled it Aaron on the first tombstone and had to make another one
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10937 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:33 pm to
Black lives only matter to black people when it's not black people killing them. That nullifies any argument they have and makes nobody want to listen.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38055 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

He would have still gone to jail.


no fricking shite!!


HAD HE NOT RESISTED, HE WOULDN'T BE DEAD AND NONE OF THIS shite WOULD BE NECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173802 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:



So you don't know shite about dick. Keep your ignorant opinions to yourself.



It was actually an interesting take

Pretty telling how many people are shouting the guy down without reading a word he said

You're all cancer
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
11145 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

johnnyrocket


I wish I could upvote you more than once dude.

Speaking truth up in here.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66113 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

1. Single mothers are not raising their kids. They use them to get federal assistance. Then their daughters have babies and it is basically kids raising kids that are raising kids. Most sit on the porch starting around 2 pm smoking weed or hooked on other drugs doing nothing all day. Their kids are not children to them they are a govt pay check.


I'm in the wrong industry
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122197 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

I think OP makes some good points. I also think the war on drugs is a cash cow for departments.
I'm white and I fully support the police but their is some merit to the debtors prison premise.


The war on drugs are a joke. Imagine how many jobs would be eliminated if their was no "war on drugs". If all drugs were made legal and people were able to buy them legally for cheaper than what they can get them on the street, that would shut down the street dealers, which would reduce crime. As a result law enforcement would need less man power. Also, that would mean less people going to jail. Many people would have a lot to lose if drugs were legal.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:44 pm to
That is what I was thinking. The administrative costs associated with apprehending, booking, feeding and processing, and prosecuting the petty crime far outweighs the revenue generated by the fine that will probably never be paid. Then the guy gets busted again on a bench warrant and the entire process begins anew.

I was thinking that myself. How could this be a profitable venture? The answer I came up with is that it profits the system as a whole at the expense of the taxpayers. The profit comes not as a bottom line figure as most business models would adhere to. It keeps a shite load of people employed from bail bondsmen, to prosecutors, to jail employees, to processors, to parole officers,to LEOs, etc.

With that said, Sterling was a legit arrest attempt. It went bad due to his actions. I am looking more at the big picture of the system in place to generate not only revenue from fines(minimal in relation to operating costs) but justification of taxpayers to fund the entire system (most of the revenue.) It is a racket in a way but one currently able to be legitimized by the enormous amount of crime that occurs in the bad areas.

The answer is obviously "don't commit crimes whether petty or of a serious nature." The response will be "but we are profiled just from living in the hood. We are stopped even when we have not committed a crime. They will harass , cite, or even arrest us for something."

I am sorry that your Dem owners and your leaders and your embraced and accepted inner city cultural norms have created this reality for you.

Instead of blaming everyone accept those responsible, I have a novel idea. Move the frick out if you no longer want to be associated with that stereotype. There are charities and churches across the nation who would love to help you if you are sincere in your desire. They will line up to pay your expenses to move your family to a safe haven suburban or rural town. They will lovingly find you a <$300 a month home and even get mommy or daddy a $12 an hour job to start. They will make sure your kids have all the clothes they could ever need. They will bring you prepared meals. Somebody will even donate or give you an old vehicle to start your new life away from the hood. They will do this out of love.

frick relocating Syrians here in the U.S. We need to be relocating families who want to escape our inner cities to places where they will be loved and helped by American generosity.
Posted by F16HT1N6 T163R5
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
344 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:47 pm to
OP,

I never considered the revenue angle before. You make some great points.

I think the BLM is permanently tainted in the court of public opinion, however, much like the Tea Party is now, although for obviously different reasons.

It will be difficult for either group to gain new converts now without starting over.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38055 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

It was actually an interesting take

Pretty telling how many people are shouting the guy down without reading a word he said

You're all cancer


it is an interesting take. but it doesn't negate the fact that had the victim just complied, none of this would be going on.

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95671 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

I think they originally spelled it Aaron on the first tombstone and had to make another one


Nope.



The story goes - Vernon Presley's friend is Elvis' middle "namesake." That guy's name was Aaron (Kennedy, IIRC, not sure). The Presleys decided on Aron as the spelling, for some reason, probably to align it with his twin, Jessie Garon Presley. Well, as it turns out, other than on the birth certificate, Elvis' middle name was actually Aaron in the other official state records. Because of its biblical significance and other unspecified reasons (and I sympathize with this - I had "issues" with my middle name until I very recently made peace with it) he was in the process of making all of the records align, officially, with the Aaron spelling and his father honored those wishes by having that spelling on the tombstone.

(Being raised by an Elvis' fan has few advantages, but this is one of them. )
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Meatball
Member since Sep 2009
5140 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:03 pm to
LINK

In the video you can see one of the officers taking something out of his right pocket. I assume that is the gun.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61452 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:05 pm to
You seriously don't think that the average person can't navigate that cell phone policy?

If they can't, we can't fix them.
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