re: Ignorant BR PD Officer w/ FBI

Aren’t IED’s activated with cell phones? Imagine if he would have blown up the building. The conversation would be entirely different.

If he wouldn’t have checked this dumb arse out I would say the police officer did something wrong.

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You can walk away and not give your name. That’s why I previously said the issue will be if you refuse. Prior to that you are not being detained.

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So if you refuse and/or walk away, they can detain you? Is that what you're saying?

I feel for those guys. Why the shite is this "law abiding citizen" out there video taping the building in the first place? What's his reason? Because he does this on purpose?

"With the way you're acting, I'm starting to understand why your fallen officers memorial is getting new names every day."

frick him.

I have better things to do with my time and I've been in trouble with the law enough that I don't go yank the Tigers tail. While I understand what people's rights are supposed to be I see no reason to do what OP is doing.

Haha you’re a pussy

I can't stand these "my rights" cocksuckers.

These are the same people that are assholes to 70 year old walmart receipt checkers.

"You don't have the right to check my receipt"

frick yourselves, get over yourselves. If any LEO asked me my name..... I would tell him.

IMO if a LEO asks you your name and you leave, that should be suspicious enough to legally detain you.

I can only think of 2 types of people that would refuse --- cocksuckers like this thread is about or people with warrants.

FFS, do people actually want crimes to be stopped? Why are we putting more and more handcuffs (no pun) on the police?

Stop and frisk actually works. What is the big deal if you are doing nothing wrong?

Dude acting strange, videoing a building --- my first thought is they are casing the joint.

LEO had a valid point that what he's doing is weird. Why would someone be taking pictures of this building trying to make themselves look suspicious just to entertain himself when LEO arrived and make a video? If you want a picture of the building then go take it and leave. They don't know if this dude is looking to bomb the place or burn it down, or shoot someone walking in or out or what.

My only other reaction is, it must be awfully depressing to have the kind of life he does that's how he entertains himself. I'm pretty sure if that was my thing I'd realize soon there was something wrong enough with me and just blow my brains out

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We cannot say that, when viewed in light of the totality of the circumstances, Grinalds and Dyess's initial questioning or detention of Turner, before he was handcuffed, was objectively unreasonable in light of clearly established law. Accordingly, Grinalds and Dyess are entitled to qualified immunity on Turner's claim that they violated his Fourth Amendment right to be free from detention absent reasonable suspicion.

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Qualified immunity is the law officer's "get out of a lawsuit free" card. I handled a case where a woman gets arrested for "interference with child custody", a crime that can only be committed by someone who is a parent and only in cases where there is a lawful court custody order. The arrested woman wasn't a parent, and there was no court order.

Cops basically plead ignorance of the law ("we can't be required to know every criminal law"). They clearly were deciding custody, which is a civil matter. Court held that they had qualified immunity (and also held the arrest was unconstitutional). Ignorance of the law is apparently an excuse for cops.

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My response was that they can ask you your name without any cause,

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"Stop and identify" statutes are statutory laws in the United States that authorize police to legally obtain the identification of someone whom they reasonably suspect of having committed a crime. If there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in "Stop and ID" states.

States with "stop and ID" statutes.


Alabama Ala. Code §15-5-30
Arizona Ari. Rev. Stat. (enacted 2005)
Arkansas Ark. Code Ann. §5-71-213(a)(1)
Colorado Colo. Rev. Stat. §16-3-103(1)
Delaware Del. Code Ann., Tit. 11, §§1902(a), 1321(6)
Florida Fla. Stat.
Georgia Ga. Code Ann. §16-11-36(b)
Illinois Ill. Comp. Stat., ch. 725, §5/107-14
Kansas Kan. Stat. Ann.
Louisiana La. Code Crim. Proc. Ann., Art. 215.1(A)
Missouri Mo. Rev. Stat.
Montana Mont. Code Ann. §46-5-401(2)(a)
Nebraska Neb. Rev. Stat. §29-829
Nevada Nev. Rev. Stat. §171.123 (3)
New Hampshire N. H. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§594:2
New Mexico N. M. Stat. Ann. §30-22-3
New York N. Y. Crim. Proc. Law §140.50(1)
North Dakota N.D. Cent. Code §29-29-21
Ohio Ohio Rev. Code
Rhode Island R. I. Gen. Laws §12-7-1
Utah Utah Code Ann.
Vermont Vt. Stat. Ann., Tit. 24, §1983
Wisconsin Wis. Stat. §968.24