re: If you want to kill yourself, friggin call someone first. Please.

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Why the hell couldn't he call someone? Talk to someone. He knew what this would do to his kids. Part of me mourns but part of me wants to kill him (you know what I mean). . Why, why, why???? Whatever pain he was suffering is magnified a hundred fold after he did this to himself.

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Not to defend suicide but I think it's always important to remember people who kill themselves are inherently not thinking clearly. If they were, they wouldn't make the decision they did. I know it's easy to see a million reasons not to from the outside looking in, but these people aren't in their right mind when they do this.

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People kill themselves not because they are in pain, but because they truly believe the people they love are better off without them.

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Anyone who takes their own life who has people who they care about and who care about them, especially when they have someone who depends on them emotionally and financially, like a spouse or a child, is a selfish coward. Denying your wife or child the emotional and financial support they are entitled to because you can't cope with life is the most selfish thing I can imagine short of taking their lives as well.

That said if that person is physically ill and in pain and suffering with no hope of recovering it is almost as selfish for those who depend on them to force them to continue to suffer. If a person has no one at all in their lives and taking their own life does not impact anyone else that is a decision for them and them alone and anyone judging them is swimming outside their lane.

There was one of those around me within the last week as well. May be the same. Never met the guy, Friend of a friend but seemed pretty on top of things. No idea why. Very sad and confusing.

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Twins both killing themselves makes me wonder if there was a genetic predisposition in their brains for something like this.

I watched this documentary called "Boy Interrupted" about a kid that fantasized about killing himself even as a young child. Some people have their wires crossed in that way.

Super sad.

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Anyone who takes their own life who has people who they care about and who care about them, especially when they have someone who depends on them emotionally and financially, like a spouse or a child, is a selfish coward.

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They're not thinking clearly dude. The mind of a suicidal person is not remotely logical.

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I know this sounds harsh but the more we work from home and isolate ourselves from society, the more you will see of this.

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I tend to agree. My anxiety got worse during Covid when I was at home so much. Started dealing with depression, too. I still haven’t mentally gotten back to where I was before Covid.

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Anyone who takes their own life who has people who they care about and who care about them, especially when they have someone who depends on them emotionally and financially, like a spouse or a child, is a selfish coward. Denying your wife or child the emotional and financial support they are entitled to because you can't cope with life is the most selfish thing I can imagine short of taking their lives as well.

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That is everyone's initial reaction, mine included. I couldn't imagine leaving my family to go through life without my support.

But these people are almost always delusional in a way that makes them convinced their families are better off without them. They truly believe it is a selfless act, not a selfish one. It's terrifying, honestly, because very normal, level-headed people succumb to this delusion.

Sorry for your loss. He wasn’t in his right state of mind, he wasn’t himself, it’s ok.

The suicide is not ok, but don’t beat yourself up over the woulda, coulda, shouldas.

Unfortunately in my line of work, I’ve had to go to many suicide prevention workshops, and you never know how deep someone has dug themselves into his/her despair. It’s very sad.

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People kill themselves not because they are in pain, but because they truly believe the people they love are better off without them. They are nearly always wrong, and that’s why your advice to reach out for help is so important, but try not to frame this in your mind as a selfish act, when your friend, wrongly but almost certainly, viewed it as a selfless one. Sorry you’re dealing with this though, mate. shite sucks.

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I mean I know my kids would be better off without me. But frick them mfers. I'm not going anywhere. Every $20 they want outta me will come with scrutiny and frickery.

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Twins both killing themselves makes me wonder if there was a genetic predisposition in their brains for something like this.

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you have no idea. i'm going to provide a few more details which may 'out' them but its been decades so likely nobody is around that knows.

i met him in 5th grade when they moved to monroe
- in high school a drunk driver killed their mom and grandparents
- 2 months later they woke up to get ready for school and found their dad dead on the floor from a heart attack. i was going to pick them up for school that morning and arrived at their house to find police cars and an ambulance
- had to go live with their evil aunt & uncle in s. louisiana who 'managed' their trust and took all their money
- judge saw what was going on and allowed them to get emancipated at 16 and they got an apartment together and had a really REALLY hard time but tried to finish high school like everyone else. in hindsight, this must have been tragic to go home to nobody after school each day


the suicides happened 20-25 years later after they they were adults but i imagine this trauma had a significant role in it