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re: If you had to fight in WW2- Europe or Pacific

Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by Keltic Tiger
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:17 pm to
"Russia did mass war crime rape to Germans": will never condone rape of any kind, but the word "karma" does seem to work here. Of course, the Japs in their rape of Nanking, for pure numbers, outdid them all.
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:19 pm to
Very cool! I've always wondered if, out of all the footage I've watched over the years, the camera ever panned past my grandfather...even for a split second glimpse.
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:14 pm to
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Very cool! I've always wondered if, out of all the footage I've watched over the years, the camera ever panned past my grandfather...even for a split second glimpse.

Yes, I am the same. I searched the films for my Dad's regiment and actually came across a man that greatly resembles him. At some point I intend to reach out to the university to see if they have facial recognition software that could make a determination. That would be very cool indeed!

Posted by WillyLoman
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:45 pm to
I see a lot of comments about how the Germans treated American POWs with respect, etc.

The father of my college girlfriend was a POW in WWII. He was a flyer and was shot down while strafing an Italian truck convoy. He was handed over to the Germans and imprisoned in Stalag Luft III, the POW camp of The Great Escape fame.

When compared to the treatment of prisoners held by Japan his treatment was pretty good but it was a physical and mental struggle every day. The Germans would take all edibles out of their Red Cross and personal packages giving them only things like ice skates and other useless items. At night the German guards would walk by a barrack and just lower their weapon and fire off a round or two through the walls. At the time of this man's release he weighed in at about 93 lbs.

So yes, while he wasn't tortured or beaten regularly it was still a terrible existence and a daily struggle to live.

I knew him in 1977, '78 and he still got migraine headaches during the anniversary week of his being shot down.

Also even though he worked on the tunnel he did not get to escape because he was moved to a different barrack a couple of days prior to the escape.
Posted by oleheat
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:51 pm to
Europe.

My dad carried Japanese shrapnel in his back for the rest of his life- along with a good deal of contempt towards them.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:57 pm to
Torn. People on here saying Europe because although it may be cooler (try living in below freezing for extended periods with inadequate cold weather gear) and because the Germans treated better (they did). But, I'd choose the Pacific Theater. Outside of the beginning of the war and Bataan, the Japs didn't take many prisoners. The fighting was just as brutal, but at least after the time on the island, you'd be rotated out for a bit, which was a lot more R&R/down time than those faced in Europe.


My ex-wife's Grandfather was captured at Kasserine Pass in North Africa in '43 and was held in Germany until the end of the war. Beaten/severe weight loss and he mentioned the damned cold a lot. Hated it. Thats why they moved to south FL after he returned.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 3:00 pm
Posted by MWP
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:04 pm to
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My grandfather was on Iwo Jima as a Navy Corpsman.


So was my grandfather. I am sure they chewed some of the same dirt. I never really knew him. I only met him a couple of times. He was at the VA in Montgomery, AL after the war where he met my grandmother who was a nurse at the VA. Although he came home alive and in one piece I was told the war broke him down and their marriage didn't last long enough for them to have 2 kids in the span of about 4 years before they divorced.. He was a huge alcoholic and after he died we were told he had severe PTSD, although back then, that wasn't a thing.

I know my grandmother was kind of coaxed into that relationship by my great uncle (her brother) who was in the Marines, who also served on Iwo, but not with him directly. When they first started dating, they became best buddies obviously and he kind of helped foster it along because my mom said my grandfather was borderline abusive and was told she needed to let that go.
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:06 pm to
Interesting perspective. To me, hot and humid are more miserable than the deep winter cold, but I'm not going to pretend I'm not wearing adequate gear while exposed to the latter.

I built a wind project in the Adirondacks with lake effect snow hitting us for months. Although I was always well prepared with coveralls and whatnot, it was still miserable. Can't imagine being wet AND cold AND getting shot at, too.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:06 pm to
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Not to split hairs, because one was in February and the other in April, but wasn't it Okinawa? I seem to remember him being involved with the Okinawa invasion because of the waves of kamikazes, but could be wrong.


He was in the Navy so he could easily have been at both. The Marine Divisions that fought on Iwo were resting and refitting during Okinawa. Although there were surely a few poor SOB's who had the bad luck to make both shows somehow.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:06 pm to
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The Western Front was child’s play


The Germans said that the Western front was child's play compared to their eastern front with Russia. I think I'd pic Europe against the Germans over the Pacific. I'd pic the Pacific over fighting with the Russians against Germany.
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:09 pm to
Lots of similarities here (I see Kingwood in your bio, too )

According to my grandmother, Pawpaw was a heavy drinker after the war when they first met, but she put her little foot down hard enough where he kicked it if he wanted to marry her. Bless her.

I often think about how many men were affected by the war, and they came home to lead somewhat normal lives. PTSD was considered nutting up, and no one wanted that stigma. I'm glad that the culture has changed and men (and women alike) can receive the help they truly need.
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:10 pm to
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The Marine Divisions that fought on Iwo were resting and refitting during Okinawa
Pawpaw was always a fan of the bomb, because while he was on R&R after Iwo, they were prepping for the invasion of Japan, which he certainly would've been a part of. I'm sure he was glad that plan got scrapped.
Posted by NfamousPanda
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:11 pm to
I've spoken to a couple of vets that were POWs in the Bataan death march in the Pacific. Give me Europe every time
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:13 pm to
Important to remember that the US Army tooth to tail ratio was about 40-60, so you had a more than even chance of not seeing any combat at all. Even better if you had any kind of technical specialty. As someone noted upthread, if you knew how to type, you were going to be safe even in a unit at the very tip of the spear.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:13 pm to
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Although kamikaze attacks occurred in both operations against support vessels, it was much more prominent at Okinawa. Iwo Jima had 318 casualties attributed to Kamikaze, while Okinawa was staggering. 36 ships sunk, almost 5,000 men killed as a direct result of Kamikaze attacks.


My grandfather was a torpedo pilot in the Pacific. The father in law of the guy above probably knew him, it sounds like they could have been on the same carrier at some time. He was hit by a kamikaze and captured by the Japanese navy. Spent 2 years in a prison on or near Chichi Jima where the book Flyboys took place. He said he went in prison 6'1" and around 200 lbs at 22-23 years old, came out with no teeth and weighing 95 lbs
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:15 pm to
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MileHigh_Tiger



I’m from the Deep South so heat doesn’t bother me. The furthest north I’ve ever been was upstate NY for recruiting duty and that shite was brutal lol

Give me the pacific theater any day over the ETO
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Iwo Jima had 318 casualties attributed to Kamikaze, while Okinawa was staggering. 36 ships sunk, almost 5,000 men killed as a direct result of Kamikaze attacks.


Could have been a lot worse and had more impact on the battle ashore if they had deliberately targeted the transports. Kamikaze pilots instinctively went after combat ships if they saw one.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:17 pm to
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I’m from the Deep South so heat doesn’t bother me. The furthest north I’ve ever been was upstate NY for recruiting duty and that shite was brutal lol


I don't operate well in cold weather, which makes me think it would have led to me being killed in Europe (or Korea later on) if I were in one of those brutally cold battles
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:19 pm to
I was born and lived in the deep south for 24 years before I became a road warrior. South Texas was hot as shite, upstate NY was cold that went deep into your bones. Colorado is a nice medium
Posted by mattfromnj
New Jersey
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:20 pm to
There were instances of Germans killing POWs too. The most notorious being the Canadians in Normandy and then a US unit in the Ardennes during Battle of the Bulge.

On the question overall I feel like it really depended on what unit you were in more than what front you fought in. The idea that a guy who was an infantryman at the Hurtgen Forest was somehow better off than a guy in the Pacific makes no sense. The fronts were both terrible it was just a matter of what unit you were in and what your job was.

does anyone have any relatives that weren't in the US military? There was a girl in law school from Germany whose grandfather had lost a leg at Stalingrad. He always told her it was the best thing that ever happened to him, to give you an idea of the level of suffering they were going through. Obviously they weren't on our side but I always thought hearing stories from them and the others in the east were really interesting.
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