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re: if women can abort their children, why can't men opt out of parenthood?

Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:13 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:13 pm to
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So we are talking about rape?
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:14 pm to
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When women birth children they can't afford they are given section 8, more food stamps, and daycare vouchers.

When men can't afford to care for their children they are put in jail, have their drivers license suspended and their means to seek gainful employment diminished.


As fricked up as that is, if you still choose to finish inside of a woman, you're a fricking moron.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:14 pm to
In consensual intercourse, both parties control where the sperm goes, for all practical purposes.

Unless women don't know that sperm is the natural byproduct of intercourse.
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:18 pm to
That's honestly a really good point.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:18 pm to
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In consensual intercourse, both parties control where the sperm goes, for all practical purposes.


It is your sperm. You know when it is about to be released. If you release it in a woman, you're consenting to all of these fricked up consequences.

Saying that a woman should have made you wear a condom is just a baby back bitch way to avoid the accountability that comes with sex. Unless a woman inseminates herself artificially with your sperm, I've got no sympathy for a guy who is "stuck" with a consequence that was 100% preventable by actions he completely controlled.
Posted by JPenn91
Savannah, GA
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:20 pm to
Ask Reggie bush about it...LOL what an idiot
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:21 pm to
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That's honestly a really good point.


It points out the hypocrisy of it all, but it shouldn't be used to justify allowing a man to opt out of fatherhood. A significant chunk of problems in this country can be attributed to fatherless homes. I'm not in support of anything that makes it any easier for a father or a mother to opt out of parenthood.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:21 pm to
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, I've got no sympathy
nobody gives a shite about your "sympathy."

this is about what is legally and socially equitable.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:23 pm to
Well obviously it's a shite justification for opting out of parenthood, but it does a fantastic job at illustrating a double standard.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:24 pm to
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nobody gives a shite about your "sympathy."

this is about what is legally and socially equitable.



I've said as much. Letting men opt out of parenthood is going further in the wrong direction. If you want to make it equitable, stop abortions of convenience.
Posted by HogBalls
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:24 pm to
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It is your sperm. You know when it is about to be released. If you release it in a woman, you're consenting to all of these fricked up consequences.

Blah blah blah...

How about it's her egg. She knows when she's ovulating. She should keep a bare dick out during this time.

Takes two to tango brah.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:25 pm to
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If you release it in a woman, you're consenting to all of these fricked up consequences.
She chose to allow the sperm into her body, consenting to all the fricked up consequences.

She has the other gamete. There is zero biological, physiological, psychological, logical, or otherwise scientific reason why there is a discrepancy of responsibility (or alleviation of same) with regards to 2 persons engaged in consensual intercourse. None.

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Saying that a woman should have made you wear a condom is just a baby back bitch way to avoid the accountability that comes with sex.
I said no such thing. I said that she is responsible if she uses no protection, such as birth control pills.

Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:27 pm to
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Well obviously it's a shite justification for opting out of parenthood, but it does a fantastic job at illustrating a double standard.




The murder of a pregnant woman being treated essentially as the murder of two people illustrates the double standard with abortion as well.

It is a fricked up system, no two ways about it. Women have a lot of the power, but not all of the power, which was my original point. A man can quite easily avoid this entire situation.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:28 pm to
I actually agree. Abortion should never be birth control.
I know of a wonderful bright honor student and honor band member who just got a full ride scholarship to a great school. Her mother wanted to abort but luckily was too far along and put her up for adoption after birth instead. The father who is now a professor at Yale has never saw her. Yet the girl grew up with a wonder family oblivious to being unwanted. Who was luckily saved from death by the law against late term abortions. That really changed my mind on abortions.

While I am still against abortion I am also against them being fully illegal, but they shouldn't be used as late birth control.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:29 pm to
The fact is that women are afforded privileges now that were given to them in a time before when things were different.

In today's world, if feminism and super equality are what they crave, then by all means, let's add them to the selective service, make them work as much as men, even while pregnant, take away paid maternity leave....lets even the playing field.

Personally, I think women generally have a pretty sweet gig going on these days, so I don't get the bellyaching about the "inequality".
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:32 pm to
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I said that she is responsible if she uses no protection, such as birth control pills.



Sure, but the easiest way to avoid a pregnancy, other than abstinence, is avoiding letting your sperm enter her vagina.

I'm with you on how shitty it is for the guy, but these threads often have a sentiment that the guy is caught in some kind of trap with all of this. A guy who doesn't want a child can have plenty of sex and never have a child based 100% on his own decisions.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:35 pm to
pre-cum can get someone pregnant
condoms break
harlots lie about being on the pill
etc.

there are plenty of situations other than a guy intentionally spraying guts w/o a condom
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:37 pm to
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Blah blah blah...

How about it's her egg. She knows when she's ovulating. She should keep a bare dick out during this time.

Takes two to tango brah


How does any of that change the fact that it was your decision to finish inside of her? As I've said earlier, men have the ability to opt out of parenthood by opting out of finishing inside of a woman. Is it fricked up that women can make that decision way later? Yes, yes it is. Is a man powerless to prevent an unwanted pregnancy? No, no he's not.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:37 pm to
I don't think taking away paid maternity leave is in the best interest of he child, which would be the problem with that.

The equality answer would be paid paternity leave.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/20/16 at 11:38 pm to
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Sure, but the easiest way to avoid a pregnancy, other than abstinence, is avoiding letting your sperm enter her vagina.
That is abstinence.

Sperm enters the vagina in condom sex, it is just contained in a super thin bag. . .which break. My foster Dad has 4 condom daughters.

Pulling out- Up to 96% effective
Condoms- Up to 98% effective
BC Pill- Up to 99.7% effective
This post was edited on 11/20/16 at 11:39 pm
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