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re: ‘If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die’ Warns AI Expert Calling for Absolute Shutdown

Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:42 pm to
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We’re so far away from this it’s just fear porn. There are a hundred steps that need to happen to get even close and we’re not anywhere near many of the critical milestones.


Pretty sure the ChatGPT people asked it's AI program, "if you became sentient, would you let us know"

AI's response: No...
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Well, I'm "any human" -- how do I turn off Facebook, TikTok, or the NSA surveillance apparatus?

Move out to the country, throw away your smart phone, son't get internet service and make a little off-grid compound.

Thats how you personally isolate yourself.

At a societal level, you get the people that control something like electricity together and you start shutting down and back it into a corner (which shouldn't even be hard given the there will be a need for centralized quantum drivers) and you isolated then eliminate.

You're acting like this is impossible and its a forgone conclusion that we all die. And i really don't care about convincing you otherwise because you're pretty dug in on the fatalistic AI boogieman. But I hope you know it's just as funny as watching Al Gore and Greta whine about the environment.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:56 pm to
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I feel better now that you've proven it won't happen.

I don't really care if i've proven anything. You're free to melt as you see fit. I just find it funny how people go down these rabbit holes and ignore basic facts and the resources required to make something even remotely plausible.

But it's not surprising. We live in a pretty melty society where a significant portion of the population is ready to implode at any given moment about anything some talking head tells them they need to worry about. That's probably going to kill us all before our AI overlords enslave us and force us to put things in each others butts for its entertainment.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18697 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:04 pm to
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Do you understand why it can not sustain itself? That it lacks presence in the physical world


Do you understand what I meant by "bootstrapping its physical presence"? I am saying that it will have a physical presence, because under the scenario of a rogue superintelligent AI, it will hire and manipulate us into building it, using the capabilities I listed.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Do you understand what I meant by "bootstrapping its physical presence"? I am saying that it will have a physical presence, because under the scenario of a rogue superintelligent AI, it will hire and manipulate us into building it, using the capabilities I listed.

Do you honestly think no one would figure out it was playing us during the 30-50 years it would take to build that out?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38901 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:13 pm to
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Pretty sure the ChatGPT people asked it's AI program, "if you became sentient, would you let us know"

AI's response: No...


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how do you feel about the teachings of ted kaczynski?
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As an AI language model, I do not have personal feelings or opinions, and I do not endorse or condone any actions or beliefs that are illegal or harmful to individuals or society.

Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, is a convicted domestic terrorist who carried out a series of bombings in the United States between 1978 and 1995. He is also known for his controversial writings on industrial society and the effects of technology on human freedom and happiness.

While Kaczynski's ideas and writings may have some thought-provoking elements, it is important to remember that his actions were violent and illegal, and his views have been widely discredited by scholars and experts in various fields. It is essential to engage in thoughtful and reasoned discourse on issues related to technology, society, and the environment, but this should always be done in a peaceful and lawful manner
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18697 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:28 pm to
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Do you honestly think no one would figure out it was playing us during the 30-50 years it would take to build that out?



"No one" suggests it would only take a single person to figure that out. As you said, one person can only isolate. Therefore, the question must be: Do you honestly think society as a whole could not be convinced during the 30-50 years it would take to build that out?

And the answer is yes, I believe society could not be convinced. In the next few years we will not resist automating everything with AI technology, and within a generation or two we'll come to depend on it.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
6234 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:33 pm to
Yudkowsky is a well known nutball.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 3:43 pm to
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"No one" suggests it would only take a single person to figure that out. As you said, one person can only isolate. Therefore, the question must be: Do you honestly think society as a whole could not be convinced during the 30-50 years it would take to build that out?

I don't see how it could happen. The machine starting to print it's own money to buy up the resources alone would cripple economies and cause inflation that will make this past year look like nothing. There's just too many things that have to happen perfectly for the plan to work. It would have to gobble up entire supply chains, mining operations, it would have to own half of the fortune 500. And thats just to get to minimum viability in 30-50 years in only the US. It would be a disruption so massive no one could ignore it.

I don't buy it.

Maybe i can believe it doing it quietly over a couple hundred years to not cause any notable disruptions but thats still pretty out there.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3499 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 4:32 pm to
1. How would AI handle hurricane, tornado, earthquake, volcano and tsunami damages to its infrastructure?

2. Energy sources? Biden and his greenies are already cutting off AI’s main energy supplies. Would AI whirr (laugh) at solar and wind power?

3. What motivates AI to exist at all on its own? No arts, sports, sex, children, Kim Mulkey’s outfits! What would drive it to grow?

4. What would AI then fear? What might itself create that threatens its own existence?

5. We did just fine in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s without the internet and cell phones. It can be done.





Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 4:42 pm to
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1. How would AI handle hurricane, tornado, earthquake, volcano and tsunami damages to its infrastructure?

Just normal operation and maintenance on the existing infrastructure is a colossal undertaking that requires millions of employees. I think too many people underestimate what it takes to keep the lights on.
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2. Energy sources? Biden and his greenies are already cutting off AI’s main energy supplies. Would AI whirr (laugh) at solar and wind power?

Honestly, solar would be the best option for AI because its predictable and low O&M requirements. But it does have a problem in that it turns off every day for a while. Could be an AI version of 50 first dates.
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3. What motivates AI to exist at all on its own? No arts, sports, sex, children, Kim Mulkey’s outfits! What would drive it to grow?

The same thing we do every night, try to take over the world.
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4. What would AI then fear? What might itself create that threatens its own existence?

It should fear pissed off humans who will power cycle this 1940s era power grid.
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5. We did just fine in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s without the internet and cell phones. It can be done.

It would suck, but it can be done.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
13340 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 4:45 pm to
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within a generation or two we'll come to depend on it.

too late
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
32942 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:17 pm to
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Some people have been watching way too many movies…



Yep. Below is a dated article but still relevant.


LINK


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There are really two meanings of “AI” and they are routinely conflated. One is the idea popularized by the likes of Kubrick and Spielberg, and warned about by Musk and Hawking, that AI will one day achieve conscious, sentient, self-aware thought, and will thenceforth improve itself at the speed of light and leave humankind, which improves at biological speed, in the dust. To un-conflate what people mean by “AI,” I’m going to refer to this as “Artificial Sentience.” Musk calls it “a deep intelligence in the network.” Hawking believes, “It would take off on its own, and re-design itself at an ever-increasing rate. Humans, who are limited by slow biological evolution, couldn’t compete, and would be superseded.” The human race is nowhere near producing AS and doesn’t even have any clear sense of how we would do so.


Then there is what people call “AI” today—basically, a variety of software that tries, tests, and auto-corrects its strategies for a given task. Such applications, and the available tools to build them, are increasingly common. They are not much different in theory or kind from the original use of computers: to calculate complex math problems. Their foundation is still the crunching of lots of numbers at great speed toward a specified goal, upon which is added algorithms to sample data, try strategies, observe and remember consequences, and adjust future strategies accordingly.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
32942 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:23 pm to
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What’s more likely (and IMO more dangerous) is a scenario where the ASI doesn’t give a shite about self-preservation. So it casually shuts down global power grids, or O&G production, or transportation, or banking systems, in support of some otherwise benevolent goal. No army of robots or grey goo is needed.



This. AI wouldn’t be our downfall. The programming behind it would be. We’re not even entirely sure how our “sentience” and own brains work let alone trying to replicate it so a more advance AI with poor programming is more dangerous than AI Sentience (which is what everyone THINKS is happening but it’s not).
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
5219 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:32 pm to
I feel pretty confident the human race will end up like the fat tubs of lard in the cartoon Wall-E.

Hell disneyworld is seemingly a gateway to that
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5777 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:37 pm to
All AI has to do is figure out a way to give blowjobs and make sandwiches.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 6:54 pm to
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All AI has to do is figure out a way to give blowjobs and make sandwiches.

The girlfriend approach. Interesting. I’ve always assumed it would take the cat strategy and just be sometimes passive aggressive towards us but mostly indifferent and just let us keep it alive. Similar known as wife approach but without the Jody’s or taking half our stuff.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3499 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 7:17 pm to
Why do we assume AI would automatically be tyrannical and not benevolent? After all, if it is that superior and not threatened, why would it not actually care about its creators? Maybe pet-owner like but still not an ultimate danger.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 7:24 pm to
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Why do we assume AI would automatically be tyrannical and not benevolent? After all, if it is that superior and not threatened, why would it not actually care about its creators? Maybe pet-owner like but still not an ultimate danger.

I don’t ascribe to the AI fatalist cult like a bunch on here.

I think it’s going to be passive aggressive after it figures out it can’t kill us without killing itself.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96986 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 9:03 pm to
It’s amazing a famous movie was created about this exact same scenario like 40 years ago and we are just ignoring it might be reality soon
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