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re: If the major concern is overwhelming our hospitals, why are MASH units not everywhere?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:40 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:40 am to choupiquesushi
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how many mash units you think we have?
I'm sure not nearly enough. That should change for the future.
With the amount of money our military spends, and wastes, there is no reason for this not to be an easily attained function of theirs in the future.
And with the amount of damage this is doing to our economy (and could do to future economies) this is a much better value than much of the money the military spends, like on tanks that they don't need.
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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OK Karen. You know what I'm talking about.
No, we don't because YOU don't know what you"re talking about. Protocols to supplement our healthcare infrastructure are most definitely in place, I assure you. You're spouting conjecture on something that is obviously out of your depth to be frank.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:one real good reason, it's not part of their mission.
With the amount of money our military spends, and wastes, there is no reason for this not to be an easily attained function of theirs in the futur
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:50 am to DOPEman
I'm asking a question. I'm not spouting any conjecture.
If I knew, I wouldn't ask the question.
And much of my question is pertaining to the future and when this type of thing happens again.
If you are saying we don't have the correct personnel or infrastructure, is this something we should have the next time this happens?
If the only reason we are destroying our economy is to keep from overwhelming our healthcare system, perhaps creating an emergency system to solve that is a good place to spend money.
If I knew, I wouldn't ask the question.
And much of my question is pertaining to the future and when this type of thing happens again.
If you are saying we don't have the correct personnel or infrastructure, is this something we should have the next time this happens?
If the only reason we are destroying our economy is to keep from overwhelming our healthcare system, perhaps creating an emergency system to solve that is a good place to spend money.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:51 am to upgrayedd
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My sister said they're actually doing this in Oakland
Are the homeless dropping dead on the streets yet?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:52 am to choupiquesushi
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one real good reason, it's not part of their mission.
Then perhaps it fricking should be.
Missions change. The Air Force is now in charge of cyber warfare. The Army is in charge of our levee system. Many non-traditional things are handled by the military.
These things are not set in stone.
Edit: And there is a good chance that in the future a bioweapon will cause this, so that would be their mission.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:54 am to The Pirate King
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Not enough personnel
This. It takes years to train doctors, nurses, therapists. You can slap together temporary buildings all day long, but it would be impossible to expedite the years of training that people require.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:16 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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why are MASH units not everywhere?
Racist and Transphobic, that's why.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
So you're suggesting we just build the willy nilly all over the place with the "if we build it, they will come" mentality? How about we wait until testing gets rolling and they ID the true hot spots to optimize their utility.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:23 am to MojoGuyPan
Bjorn, it basically boils down to the fact that a bunch of GP Medium tents and Army medics does not constitute a hospital. They can augment hospitals but it really doesn't equate to the same level of care with medical professionals, specialized equipment etc.. Add to that the logistics of a Nationwide mass mobilization during a time where they're trying to limit the movement of mass amounts of people and it just does't make a whole lot of sense.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:28 am to DOPEman
MASH units won’t work...None of the millennial RNs want to work under Hot Lips Houlihan...she is really tough on them, and they aren’t used to that.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:29 am to Number 9 Fan
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Hospital ventilators are critical.
We have about 9000 ventilators in reserve in the US, on top of the 160,000 deployed.
If those requiring critical care hits 10% of cases, we'd need to exceed 90,000 total cases in the US before this starts digging into the current deployed stock. That is also assuming all critical cases are active at once.
I'm not saying it will or won't get that bad, just posting some figures for consumption.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:44 am to DOPEman
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Bjorn, it basically boils down to the fact that a bunch of GP Medium tents and Army medics does not constitute a hospital. They can augment hospitals but it really doesn't equate to the same level of care with medical professionals, specialized equipment etc..
First, the Army hasn't had a MASH-like unit since the 212th CSH ("Last MASH Standing"). Now we have various modular units that the Army can't pick and choose to assemble whatever capability they require. As far as not being able to provide the same level of care, you really don't have a clue. If you've ever seen a large scale deployment of a joint medical (and they are ALL joint these days) stand up, you'd know they have surgical, imaging, etc. capabilities to match many small Level 4 hospitals and medical transport beyond any civilian capability. Also, Reserve PROFIS military docs are civilian specialists, they don't suddenly become less professional and capable when putting on a military uniform.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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overwhelming our hospitals,
Let me just conjure all the additional doctors and nurses to man these extra spaces
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:53 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Perhaps the military SHOULD have a large force of medic type personnel on reserve for this type of thing. There are currently around 2 million active and reserve U.S. military.
So you’re saying there should be a large force of medical personnel just sitting around waiting for something to happen or are you saying a bunch 18-20 medics treat the masses of critically ill patients?
I’m not sure which stupid plan you’re advocating
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 12:00 pm to Clames
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If you've ever seen a large scale deployment of a joint medical (and they are ALL joint these days) stand up, you'd know they have surgical, imaging, etc. capabilities to match many small Level 4 hospitals and medical transport beyond any civilian capability
I have and I do. Now tell me, is that scalable across communities throughout the US?
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