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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:07 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:07 am to Epic Cajun
quote:I'd speculate that BK made the mistake of having the sheath stuffed in a pocket or otherwise not on his belt through the loop and it came out during one of the struggles (because some of them had defensive wounds).
That was never reported, it was a rumor.
Are you another poster commenting in the thread without actually reading the affidavit?
He probably didn't want on his belt, dressed in all black, if stopped before or after his rampage. Assuming he had that knife for quite a while prior to this and it being a leather sheath and one naturally handles a sheathed knife not secured by grabbing the sheath it would be a DNA bonanza AND because of wound analysis directly link the knife and sheath, thus BK, to the attack. This will be the crux of the case and how the developed him a suspect; the car became corroborating.
So whomever, under my speculation, tried to fight him off and caused that sheath to fall to the floor caught their own killer.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:17 am to Epic Cajun
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Are you another poster commenting in the thread without actually reading the affidavit?
I think so. It's ludicrous to me at this point. You don't want to read it? Fine. But don't come to this thread acting like you have any idea of what you're talking about.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:43 am to pussywillows
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it's been stated that the dylan and/or bethany called someone who brought a ladder to the house to be able to see into a window because they had no access to the rooms..
This is all internet speculation. I don’t believe it to be true. Here is the ladder in question. It’s a relatively small stepladder. You can clearly see it’s not tall enough to access the second floor, much less be used to look in the window. I’ve been on plenty of ladders and I feel confident in saying you’d be very hard pressed to access that ledge with that ladder. It also doesn’t help quell rampant speculation because it’s right next to Kernodle’s room. Logically speaking though the most direct path to access her window is through the living room window, also shown in the pic.
Also note that the blinds to her bedroom window are closed. Even if you got on the roof, you can’t see in the window.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:48 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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This is all internet speculation. I don’t believe it to be true. Here is the ladder in question. It’s a relatively small stepladder. You can clearly see it’s not tall enough to access the second floor, much less be used to look in the window. I’ve been on plenty of ladders and I feel confident in saying you’d be very hard pressed to access that ledge with that ladder. It also doesn’t help quell rampant speculation because it’s right next to Kernodle’s room. Logically speaking though the most direct path to access her window is through the living room window, also shown in the pic.
One of the girls dads recently kind of explained the phone call for an unconscious person. He said after seeing the crime scene the girls ran outside and one passed out and the other was so uncontrollable that the dispatcher couldn't really understand what was happening. That's where the unconscious person came from, didn't seem to be referring to any of the roommates who had passed. Not sure where the friends that reportedly were called over come into play, that could be false as well for all we know. But I doubt any of the girls used that ladder to look into a window.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:56 am to CP3forMVP
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One of the girls dads recently kind of explained the phone call for an unconscious person. He said after seeing the crime scene the girls ran outside and one passed out and the other was so uncontrollable that the dispatcher couldn't really understand what was happening.
Yep, that what I was speculating a few posts back. The bathroom on the second floor is in the hallway leading to Kernodles room. It’s also at the top of the stairs leading from the first floor. I’m thinking more than likely Dylan woke up that morning, walked to the bathroom and in the process say Kernodle laying in the floor (police affidavit clearly states the body is visible from that hallway). She freaks out, screams yells or whatever and that Bethany runs upstairs where she can also clearly see the body. Both run outside and make a hysterical 911 call.
The friends with ladders, locked doors, looking in bedroom windows is all rampant internet speculation with nothing backing it up.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:57 am to Blizzard of Chizz
The locked door/ladder rumor has to be incorrect. The only way for Bryan to lock the doors and then leave out the same door is with a simply door knob lock. Most high school kids know how to pick one of these locks with a bobby pin or safety pin. That's much easier than trying to climb up on a ladder to look inside the room.
Also, as I already mentioned, if Bryan locked the doors on his way out, there would have been blood on the doors and/or door handles that would have made it obvious that something bad had happened.
Also, as I already mentioned, if Bryan locked the doors on his way out, there would have been blood on the doors and/or door handles that would have made it obvious that something bad had happened.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:03 am to UpToPar
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Also, as I already mentioned, if Bryan locked the doors on his way out, there would have been blood on the doors and/or door handles that would have made it obvious that something bad had happened.
He could've used a piece of clothing to keep from blood spreading but if he wore gloves why would he care?
And we know he's an idiot so if the doors were closed you're right, there should have been blood on the knobs.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:05 am to LSUintheNW
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He could've used a piece of clothing to keep from blood spreading but if he wore gloves why would he care?
I'm not saying he cared. I'm saying it should have been immediately obvious to Dylan and the other roommate that something bad happened when they see blood all over the door/door knob. It doesn't make sense to call over friends and look through a window at that point.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:11 am to CP3forMVP
quote:is there a link to this?
One of the girls dads recently kind of explained the phone call for an unconscious person.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:14 am to UpToPar
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The locked door/ladder rumor has to be incorrect
It has to be. Just being logical about it, Kernodle’s body is the one they most likely saw. It’s visible from the bathroom and the bathroom is at the top of the stairs. If they saw her body and freaked out, it seems highly unlikely they went exploring the rooms on the 3rd floor. They rushed out of the house in a panic and began making phone calls. There simply wouldn’t be anyway for them to know if the room upstairs was locked or if the door was even shut.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:16 am to UpToPar
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I'm not saying he cared
I know, was just saying.
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I'm saying it should have been immediately obvious to Dylan and the other roommate that something bad happened when they see blood all over the door/door knob. It doesn't make sense to call over friends and look through a window at that point.
I'm with you and agree.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:20 am to Chicken
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is there a link to this?
quote:
"You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this... it wasn't very legible," Goncalves said about the 911 call.
"They couldn't quite understand what these girls were seeing."
He added: "One passed out. And the other one was hyperventilating that the message wasn't clear enough for the operator," in reference to the call.
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Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:27 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Yep. I'd love to read the police report with Dylan's initial statement to police for a timeline of events that morning. I'm betting from the time Dylan woke up until the call to 911 was made was <5min.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:42 am to UpToPar
I'm interested in finding out just how Kohberger was linked in with the victims. Please, correct me if I'm wrong or mistaken, but I believe Gonclaves' father said that there was some connection.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:08 am to UpToPar
Imo the entire ladder theory, is completely false and with it goes the speculation about the doors being locked. The ladder was way too small and Kernodle’s bedroom widow blinds were closed. The most logical way and only way to see her body is from the hallway, just as it was mentioned as being visible in the affidavit. Furthermore there is zero evidence so far suggesting the 3rd floor bedroom was locked. We don’t even know if the door was opened or closed.
Regardless of how we think Dylan acted or behaved during the attack, the actions of her and Bethany in the mid morning hours upon waking have been unfairly questioned because of the false ladder narrative. Tossing it aside, it appears they reacted exactly as one would upon seeing the body of Kernodle.
Regardless of how we think Dylan acted or behaved during the attack, the actions of her and Bethany in the mid morning hours upon waking have been unfairly questioned because of the false ladder narrative. Tossing it aside, it appears they reacted exactly as one would upon seeing the body of Kernodle.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:13 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Agreed.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:15 am to GentleJackJones
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but I believe Gonclaves' father said that there was some connection.
There was an article linked a few days ago. I believe he said they were looking for a connection not that one had been found.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:22 am to Chicken
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is there a link to this?
It was from an NBC News interview he did, but there are a few websites that transcribed some of that interview:
quote:
"You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this... it wasn't very legible," Goncalves said about the 911 call.
"They couldn't quite understand what these girls were seeing."
He added: "One passed out. And the other one was hyperventilating that the message wasn't clear enough for the operator," in reference to the call.
LINK /
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:25 am to GentleJackJones
quote:
correct me if I'm wrong or mistaken, but I believe Gonclaves' father said that there was some connection.
He said there Might be, and that they were looking into it.
I am guessing that the computer/phone forensics will be pretty damning for the stalker.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:32 am to CP3forMVP
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You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this..
And there it is. The dad clearly says they were upset by what they saw and then went outside after seeing it. They didn’t grab a ladder or phone a friend to bring a ladder so they could climb on the roof to peer in her window. They could see her body from the hallway
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