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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
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This is helpful: Direct Evidence Evidence that clearly demonstrates a defendant committed a crime is known as direct evidence. Factual evidence that incontrovertibly shows a person committed the alleged offense may be used to meet the standards for proving guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Examples of direct evidence include: Security camera footage showing a person breaking into a store and stealing items; An audio recording of a person admitting to committing a crime; Ballistics tests that show a bullet was fired by a specific firearm; Eyewitness testimony that a person saw the defendant commit a crime; The defendant’s fingerprints on a weapon used to commit murder; and Computer records showing a person illegally used someone else’s credit card. Circumstantial Evidence In many cases, direct evidence of a crime does not exist and prosecutors must use evidence that implies the defendant committed the alleged offense. This is known as circumstantial evidence, and examples of this type of evidence include: Eyewitness testimony that a person was seen fleeing from the scene of a crime; A person’s fingerprints found at the scene of the crime alongside other people’s fingerprints; An audio recording of the defendant stating his or her intent to commit a crime before the alleged crime actually occurred; Harassing emails or text messages a defendant sent to a person who was later assaulted; and A person’s browser history showing how he or she searched for information about the tools used to commit the crime of which he or she is accused. While a single piece of circumstantial evidence may not be enough to demonstrate a person’s guilt, multiple pieces of evidence may be used together, and the prosecutor may ask the jury to “connect the dots” to determine that the defendant committed the alleged offense.
Easier version:
If you physically see snow falling at midnight, that is direct evidence of snow falling.
If you go to bed at 11pm and wake up at 7am and see snow on the ground, that is circumstantial evidence.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:31 pm to GentleJackJones
Imo we are past the who did it. The evidence against him is damning. The why he did it is where we are at now. What motivated him?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:37 pm to GentleJackJones
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Unfortunately, we have reports that he thoroughly cleaned his vehicle.
Very often that doesn’t matter. Forensic teams find trace evidence in vehicles years after a crime has been committed. I am concerned with the single bloody footprint though as it suggests he wasn’t heavily covered in blood which would mean little to no transfer in his vehicle assuming he cleaned it very well.
However, he may have left fibers from his vehicle at the crime scene or hairs of a victim woven into the fibers of his seat or flooring. I recently watched a case file show where a single strand of a victims hair was found woven into the carpet of a vehicle 2 years later after it had been commercially cleaned and carpets shampooed multiple times. Another show had a suspect leaving a fiber from his vehicle on the victim. Like, a piece of fuzz from his vehicle carpet stuck to him and he l transferred it to the victim during the murder.
Ultimately, I don’t think that kind of magic will be necessary although it would be nice. Again, it’s the preponderance of the circumstantial evidence that leans to beyond a reasonable doubt and they already have a lot.
Really, the cops have done an amazing job.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:38 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Imo we are past the who did it. The evidence against him is damning. The why he did it is where we are at now. What motivated him?
We know OJ did it. We also know Casey Anthony did it. I'm not implying that this motherless frick will get off, but the more damning evidence, the merrier.
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What motivated him?
This just doesn't interest me. What was done, can't be undone. His motive is irrelevant. Given the brewery incidents, I'm sure he was interested in one of the girls, maybe both of them, and was quickly shutdown by them. He got his feelings hurt and couldn't handle it because he's a crazy, deranged, psychopathy, weirdo loser. The guy couldn't get laid by a stripper or hooker if he tried.
I'd like to meet his parents and congratulate them for raising a little bitch.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:38 pm to UpToPar
You went full Baldona man. Never go full Baldona.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:39 pm to Chief Hinge
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Easier version:
Definitely. I just wanted to include examples like computer files. 
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:41 pm to GentleJackJones
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Unfortunately, we have reports that he thoroughly cleaned his vehicle. I guarantee you he went to Albertsons and purchased a plethora of cleaning supplies (Lysol sanitizing wipes, bleach, Resolve, gloves, etc.) with cash (so it couldn't be later investigated) and cleaned that thing till it basically looked brand new. I'm sure the car was vigorously cleaned and vacuumed. Probably the same with his apartment.
It would be nearly impossible to clean out the car well enough to leave no trace of blood. I am not familiar with 2015 Hyundai Elantras, but I'm willing to bet it has cloth seats and carpet mats. Once the blood gets in the fibers, you're not getting it out.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:41 pm to GentleJackJones
The guy that brought his cell phone to the murder, left the sheath at the crime scene, got spotted by a roommate, was videoed/photographed dumping shite in his parents neighbors garbage can was somehow able to clean ever spec of dna from his car?
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:42 pm to GentleJackJones
Motivation can actually be a critical issue for the jury. It’s always good to explain the “why” a crime happened. Unfortunately, in this case, I think the why is just because he wanted to commit murder.
The better “why” might be how he chose his victims.
The better “why” might be how he chose his victims.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:42 pm to UpToPar
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Once the blood gets in the fibers, you're not getting it out.
I'm certainly a layman when it comes to this, but would/could bleach or other cleaning solutions impact it, dilute it, or make it where it's untraceable?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:44 pm to UpToPar
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It would be nearly impossible to clean out the car well enough to leave no trace of blood. I am not familiar with 2015 Hyundai Elantras, but I'm willing to bet it has cloth seats and carpet mats. Once the blood gets in the fibers, you're not getting it out.
Getting rid of it is hard, but contaminating so you can't tell whose it is isn't all that hard.
Hell, I saw one crime episode where they sprayed the luminol stuff to look for blood and that contimated it so they couldn't check it for DNA.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:49 pm to NATidefan
My guess is his computer or phone is going to be as useful or more useful than the car if they obtained those. It's hard to erase stuff from a hard drive, search history, etc so it's not recoverable somehow.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:51 pm to ronk
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got spotted by a roommate,
He was wearing a Covid type masked that only covered his nose and mouth so she was able to given a partial description. She especially noted his eyebrows as “bushy” and memorable. When later showed Bryon’s DL photo she said it matches what she was able to see that night.
That’s direct evidence. Perhaps the only direct evidence they actually have at this time. Adding in the pile of circumstantial evidence, it would be hard to overcome.
I agree that he likely pleads guilty to take the death penalty off the table. If not now, when additional evidence is turned over to the defense.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:57 pm to LSUGrrrl
Unless the victims families are against the DP, I don't see how the prosecution won't pursue it. I believe the death penalty is considered the maximum penalty in Idaho when it comes to defendants who either plead guilty or are found guilty of first-degree murder, so pleading guilty won't take it off the table.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:03 pm to cbdman
Even if the plea deal takes it off the table? If so, he has zero incentive to take a plea.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:07 pm to cbdman
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Unless the victims families are against the DP
Well, through a few articles and reports, we know that one of the girls' parents are actively supporting it. So, not that my opinion matters, but I'm perfectly good with it.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:12 pm to GentleJackJones
quote:and he had weeks to continuously clean it
but would/could bleach or other cleaning solutions impact it, dilute it, or make it where it's untraceable?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:15 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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The why he did it is where we are at now. What motivated him?
Anybody besides him, and the forensics team combing through his electronics, who tells you this is guessing. He can possibly save his life if he agrees to subject himself to full, invasive, disclosure.
That may not be offered if the rest of the evidence paints a clear enough picture.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:15 pm to LSUGrrrl
I would imagine there’s going to be lots of dna evidence soon. Once they release what they found at his apartment and once they comb through the car. Combined with any other dna evidence on the deceased. The shoe print of the print they found combined with shoes he owned.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:23 pm to GentleJackJones
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Given the brewery incidents
What are you referring to?
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