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IBM introducing the World's Highest-Resolution Global Weather Forecasting Model

Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:28 pm
article detailing new model

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IBM announced today that they will be introducing the world’s highest-resolution global weather forecasting model later in 2019--the IBM Global High-Resolution Atmospheric Forecasting System (GRAF). The model will be the first hourly-updating weather model that is able to predict something as small as a thunderstorm virtually anywhere on the planet.
The current top global forecasting models, the European (ECMWF) model and the U.S. GFS model, subdivide the global atmosphere into grid boxes that average 9 kilometers and 13 kilometers on a side, respectively, then solve the mathematical equations of atmospheric flow to generate a forecast for each of those grid cells. The new GRAF model employs a variable-resolution grid, resembling a honeycomb, that can be configured with higher resolution over areas of particular interest (Figure 1). Over land areas, the GRAF grid elements will have average resolutions of 3 km, which is about 3 - 4 times greater than the European and GFS models.



For the OT weather experts and followers.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:30 pm to
It'll still be wrong 70% of the time
Posted by Jackie Chan
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:35 pm to
Will everyone be required to refer to it as 'Dr.'?
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:35 pm to
rds:

Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

It'll still be wrong 70% of the time



Probably but watching those models correctly predict a system materialize from nothing 7-10 days out is pretty cool TBH
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:38 pm to
Looking forward to the GRAF vs EURO thunderdome.
Posted by STLDawg
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:43 pm to
Can it beat a coin flip?
Posted by DustyDinkleman
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:45 pm to
Small resolutions are great for viewing, but not so great for long-range. Data will get very obscure more than 24 hours out.

As seen with the HRRR
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:48 pm to
A weather rock is more accurate.




Posted by HogX
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:51 pm to
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Probably but watching those models correctly predict a system materialize from nothing 7-10 days out is pretty cool TBH


Exactly. It's hard for me to fault a dude trying to predict a storm that's 7 days away and is just a disturbance out over the Pacific somewhere with no real organization. It's kind of amazing that they're as accurate as they are IMO.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted by TOSOV
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:59 pm to
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It's hard for me to fault a dude trying to predict a storm that's 7 days away and is just a disturbance out over the Pacific somewhere with no real organization.


True, but sometimes they do a horrible job at giving other potential possibilities to make sure people are ready. Ie they focus on a big city to get watchers, but it directly hits towns 100 miles away instead.

I get mother nature is a biatch that cant make up her mind, but give some high percentage possibilities too.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:02 pm to
But, can it say coon?
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:05 pm to
Well we are making predictions on the most complex thermodynamic system on the planet. So sometimes we are going to be wrong
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:05 pm to
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Verification data to show the accuracy of the forecasts is not yet available


Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:38 pm to
For hurricanes it probably just moves the cone earlier and more often than current models to gain accuracy.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:41 pm to
If any company ends up creating Skynet, it’ll be IBM.
Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:49 pm to
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If any company ends up creating Skynet, it’ll be IBM.


They certainly have the early lead. I’m definitely expecting a late push from Google and Amazon though.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:59 pm to
Will there be more observational data introduced and processed inside these smaller grids ?

How are the equations of motion going to be any more exact with higher resolution grids ?
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:03 pm
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:57 pm to
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How are the equations of motion going to be any more exact with higher resolution grids ?


Expect to see traditional physics based weather forecasting to die in the next 10 years. There are peer reviewed papers out there claiming that using machine learning and only 10 parameters are getting 80+% accuracy. Compare that to physics based models that get in the low 90% accuracy. The kicker is that you don't need huge computers to do the modeling. Once the training is complete the forecast run in 1/10 of the time.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:21 pm to
A lot of wishcasters are in mourning tonight.
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