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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:02 am to Yeti_Chaser
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:02 am to Yeti_Chaser
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But regardless you don't lock someone up for 30 years for being an a-hole
How about if you're an a-hole and you beat someone to death?
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:03 am to justaniceguy
Densely populated, be surrounded by and regularly interact with diverse demographics (poor, rich, black, white, etc.) walk many places, etc. I don’t live far from where this happened and have seen many occasions where tourists who are staying at those hotels are very uncomfortable around a homeless man ask them for change (and there are many of them in that area). I’ve been to Baton Rouge many times and it’s just not nearly the same at all.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:04 am to Obtuse1
There was a lot of debate about that among the lawyers and judge.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:05 am to Reluctantjuror
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wasn’t used to being in urban environments
quote:You felt? ... Beyond a reasonable doubt
we felt like he overreacted because he was drunk
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
The guy that broke the fight up and his girlfriend testified that Jackson was on the ground asking for help and in no condition to fight back then saw ward kick him in the head. The doctors testified that the head wound was consistent with being kicked.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:09 am to Reluctantjuror
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Densely populated, be surrounded by and regularly interact with diverse demographics (poor, rich, black, white, etc.) walk many places, etc. I don’t live far from where this happened and have seen many occasions where tourists who are staying at those hotels are very uncomfortable around a homeless man ask them for change (and there are many of them in that area). I’ve been to Baton Rouge many times and it’s just not nearly the same at all.
Out of curiosity, if Ward had lived in the area, would that have changed things for you? Why or why not?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:10 am to HouseMom
I live in the immediate area and there are homeless or poor people milling about that area literally all hours of the night since there are two 24 hour convenience stores and 1 24 hour bar right there. The three doctors did not appear to have an agenda. The coroner was very factual in explaining what she saw. The neurosurgeon and wards expert witness actually seemed kind of annoyed to have to be there. Not the kind of demeanor from someone with an agenda imo.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:11 am to Dirk Dawgler
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who might have actually acted in self defense?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:11 am to Yeti_Chaser
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This thread has really made me lose faith in our justice system. It seems like neither side had any solid evidence and Ward's lawyers must be completely incompetent. I'm sure he will win an appeal which honestly is shitty as well because he sounds like an a-hole. But regardless you don't lock someone up for 30 years for being an a-hole. It seems like youre most convinced by what he said during his interview while being blackout. He probably doesn't even remember the events and there's nothing wrong with not talking to police so you can only place so much value on that. And you certainly shouldn't be factoring how much time you think he spends in "urban environments." What a horrible jury, horrible lawyers, and just a bad reflection on our justice system as a whole
Wards girlfriend testified he was a drunk and had anger issues. She also testified ward hit her earlier that night. Eyewitnesses said they saw Ward beating the homeless man and he died from his injuries. Ward got manslaughter, not murder. What about this case makes you lose faith in the justice system? To me, it makes me feel better about it as it appears justice was served in the correct manner.
ETA: Ward was also involved in a previous physical altercation in New Orleans weeks prior.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:12 am to lostinbr
We weren’t made aware of him talking about a cut or knife to anyone during the investigation. He told us about it when he testified and obviously the attorneys mentioned it. But he certainly never said anything about it when being arrested etc.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:13 am to Box Geauxrilla
The 12 were 2 white 1 Asian 9 black. Both alternates were black.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:15 am to Tigerbaby94
They were at his girlfriends work Christmas party and decided to get a nightcap at hot tin. He got upset with her because she was talking to a co worker and slapped her then went downstairs to cool off.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:17 am to Reluctantjuror
quote:I hope there wasn’t any math involved in deliberations.
The 12 were 2 white 1 Asian 10 black. Both alternates were black.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:17 am to Breauxsif
9 black 1 asian 2 white. 2 black alternates. And yes the defense presented that and it did not go over well.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:17 am to HouseMom
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Is it possible to revisit if he wasn't judged by a "jury of his peers" in this racial environment? If the OP is truthful, it seems odd to have 10 black, 1 Asian, 1 white. The D.A. was clearly prosecuting this as a hate crime. If this had been a black man attacking another, I doubt the police would have even showed up. That's the sad state of affairs in Nola.
Is it possible to make a jury of peers argument? Yes, but they rarely prevail outside of an occasional Batson breech. I don't think racially skewed juries are unusual. I have tried lots of cases with only a single race represented on the jury. It has a lot to do with the racial makeup of the county/parish, luck of the draw, and people weaseling out of jury duty. I see prospective white jurors work a lot harder to avoid jury duty than any other race. Simply put there is always bias in juries because humans are inherently biased. It is one of the reasons that jury selection is so important and it is one area where the average litigator is woefully underskilled.
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I'm not saying Ward isn't complete scum for beating this man they way he did, but I also know "motivated" witnesses (including doctors) lie their butts off.
If the defense felt the doctors were lying then they should have presented expert testimony to counter their testimony. Attorneys deal with fabricated testimony all the time. Based on what reluctantjuror has said he didn't assign much veracity to any of the eye witnesses except the couple.
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For a man to jump out of a drunken stupor to attack another man unprovoked (who was taking a stroll at 1:30 AM) is not just odd, it rarely happens outside of some diagnosed mental disorder or consuming psychedelic drugs.
Someone highly intoxicated could very well misjudge "provocation". I have seen a lot of ridiculous reactions from intoxicated people in my life. People are prone to overreaction in this state. Apparently, Ward struck his girlfriend earlier, if this is indeed the case then he was already on tilt and outside of evidence to suggest she had physically assaulted him I would have to conclude he had already demonstrated he was prone to physical overreaction at that general time. That alone is a horrible look for his defense.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:18 am to NC_Tigah
Yes there was no doubt his actions led to Jackson’s death.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:20 am to Reluctantjuror
why are you so reluctant?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:22 am to Box Geauxrilla
My point being is that my friends that live in that area have a pretty symbiotic relationship with the poor and homeless in that area so this would likely not happen. We are very accustomed to just telling them no or Just walking past and saying nothing without any fear of violence. When things like robbery does end up happening we typically are like just give us the stuff back and don’t come around here anymore.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:24 am to Reluctantjuror
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went downstairs to cool off.
Me and this guy cool off differently
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:24 am to Obtuse1
Defense presented a Baton Rouge neurosurgeon as an expert witness who basically agreed with the other two doctors.
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