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re: I want to learn to weld..

Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:52 am to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:52 am to
I suspect there are some of the best welders in the world who read and post to these forums and they may have some input but several people have told me that Lincoln and Miller both offer beginner classes for free or for nearly free with the idea that some will buy their consumer level equipment if they learn on it. I do not know this for a certainty but I have had several people tell me about it over the years. If it is true it would be a good introduction if one of their sells centers is close by, and they probably are....
Posted by AlumneyeJ93
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:55 am to




Anyone can learn to weld, being good at it takes some patience and practice.
I had a knack for it in high school and a good shop teacher. My uncles who were both iron workers convinced me to go the engineering route in college.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 11:59 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:57 am to
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An American flag doo rag also helps.


It isn't actually a doo rag...they are generally called pipefitter caps but all trades use them now a days if they are welding or not. They are actually very practical, especially when welding overhead (something not many can do). Supposedly a union pipefitter's widow started making them and selling them on job sites and they are now almost as common as welding hoods....they look silly unless you wanna be a pirate but they are actually pretty practical....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:02 pm to
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Just so no one gets confused MIG, TIG, and stick all need shielding gas to work correctly. The shield gas in stick welding comes from the flux on the outside of the stick vaporizing. MIG and TIG (the IG stands for inert gas) get the shield gas from a separate tanked supply, usually CO2, Argon, or a mix of the two. If you use MIG or TIG wire without shield gas you will get a shitty looking weld that is almost certainly contaminated. What you are generally seeing when a person uses a MIG welder and no separate shielding gas supply is them using flux core wire. Flux core can be used in a MIG welder but is basically stick welding where the stick is replaced with feedable wire and the flux (which provides the shield gas) is on the inside versus the outside of a stick welding electrode.


I have known a pile of welders, some very good ones, who did not understand that all practically all welding uses some kind of shielding gas...many think if there ain't a cylinder around there ain't no gas. Its pretty fundamental to all forms of welding....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:13 pm to
Not so long ago, maybe 20 years now, there was a box car manufacturing plant outside of Athens Georgia. They would hire ANYONE willing to show up on time and do what they were told and teach them to weld boxcars. In about 30 days anyone who was going to make it at that plant was welding boxcars on their own. 30 days. Boxcars....subject to all manner of outrageous stresses. The pay was lousy so it was mostly young kids straight out of high school with no experience doing much of anything....but many of them could learn how to weld good enough to stick around building boxcars after about 4 weeks. Its a pretty simple skill at its core. Doing it well is a whole other can of worms....it is about as high level a skill, when done in situations where life limb and property are respected, as being a surgeon...but making a grill is well withing anyone who is not blinds ability...
Posted by AlumneyeJ93
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:13 pm to
Somewhere in my basement, I have a couple of books on the history of welding, Pretty interesting stuff, especially when the steel ship building industry evolved.

There are so many specialty steels, high strength alloys, composites each demands a specialized joining process to understand the interactions of the base metals, filler metals, the microstructures of each in the weld pool, the heat affected zones (non fused areas around the weld joints), joint strength/design, Also have to consider preheats and cooling rates on the weld pool and final microstructure, avoiding hydrogen embrittlement, cracking etc.

Good news, you don't need any of this stuff to build a grill, a buzzbox, and some welding electrodes, grinder and wire wheel is about all you need. I'd recommend a 308 stainless steel welding rod, welds won't rust, easy to weld with.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted by Wildman 22
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:25 pm to
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TIG is more for soft metals such as aluminum


You care to go ahead and explain how metals like hastelloy, inconel, and other alloys are some of the hardest metals around are almost exclusively TIG welded and X-rayed daily to keep the oil, gas, and chemical industry running? Go back to speaking what you know and not what you heard on YouTube. There's a whole different world out there.
Posted by FlagLake
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:28 pm to
I have a little welding knowledge being a high school shop teacher but I am by no means an expert. One piece of advice I will give you is proper base metal prep is key. Welding is so much easier and welds will turn out so much better if the time is taken to grind off any rust, mill scale, or other substances that may affect the weld. Also, proper cutting and fitting will keep you from having to fill large gaps and waste time and welding electrodes.
Posted by AlumneyeJ93
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:34 pm to
100% Flag, cleanliness is vitally important. Also have to remove lubricants of any kind. Some steels are pickled and oiled to first remove & help prevent rust.
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:49 am to
Public to tech school or community college. I learned at the vo tech in BR. They had a night course that I took during the summer. Followed that up with vo tech in OK and Lone Star College in Houston.
Another option is to find a maker space. If you can locate a maker space and become a member they will likely offer a class. Additionally a membership would allow you to use the equipment. Likely you will need to live in a mid size to large city to locate one of these groups.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:49 am to
Your grinder will be your most used piece of equipment. Buy accordingly.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:50 am to
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I want to learn to weld..
It’s Tuesday so obligatory-



And circa 1980 IWHI
Posted by subMOA
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:26 am to
30 years experience here…..all methods.

Go buy you a nice 110V Mig machine.

Get .030 wire- NOT flux core

Get the .030 tips- the machine won’t have them included

Get some C25 gas- Tractor Supply usually has the bottles. NOT pure Argon. Set the gas on the regulator at about 15 CFM.

With this setup, you can weld the vast majority of steel jobs you will ever want to do.

Crank the juice, and set your wire speed just under halfway- if the machine has a dial, about the 10 o’clock position.

Now- for the welding part….

Get you some 1/4” steel- clean the rust off with a grinder, preferably a grinder with a wire cup.

1/4” Steel- this is key to learn- anything thinner is gonna give you hell to learn. YOU WILL BURN THROUGH AND BE VERY FRUSTRATED.

Pull the trigger and let it rip.

It needs to sound like fish frying. Best advice my teacher told me 30 years ago.

Make small circles to join the two pieces of metal together. Start with just making a bead on a flat piece.

Enjoy! It’s a satisfying skill to have!



Posted by Methedup77
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:35 am to
Buy a MiG welder. With or without argon and some flat plate and get after it. Learn to adjust settings on the machine. Or better yet buy an old Lincoln and learn to stick. Building a bbq pit doesn’t take that much skill with welding. Bubblegum welds will hold it together
Posted by sqerty
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:15 am to
There's a whole lotta wood in there
Posted by Saunson69
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:19 am to
I don't know if welding is that hard. When I just graduated PETE and went offshore, one of the welders gave me the mask and torch and told me to weld this thing in a straight line. I did it then scraped off the excess. Probably a lot more to it than that, but for what I did was just doing a paint stroke across.
Posted by piratedude
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:33 am to
yes you can teach yourself. read the instructions and watch youtube videos. one key to my welds getting much better was learning that the term "work lead" does not mean the cable with the trigger, you know the lead you're "working" with. "work lead" means ground clamp. videos show people "stacking dimes." i'm still stacking walnuts, but i have plenty of angle grinders and discs.

and another thing. angle iron bed rail found on the side of the road is tempered or high carbon, or some other impenetrable shite.

and alzheimer's made me forget i posted the same answer 7 months ago.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 10:48 am
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