re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.

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Would you shut the frick up with your un-substantiated bullshite? Look I’m gonna get the vaccine too but to say it wasn’t rushed is ridiculous.

Vaccines are typically tested on animals for a long period prior to human trials. Once it’s safety and efficacy are verified does it move on to human phased trials. How long was this vaccine tested on animals compared to a typical vaccine? This has little to nothing to do with government interference btw.

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The COVID-19 vaccines might feel rushed, but they aren’t

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So about 10 years ago the science wheels started churning out strategies to vaccinate against SARS1. Unfortunately, funding dried up for SARS1 as that virus never made its way to the U.S., so a vaccine didn’t actually get developed. However, the research on the virus and ideas of how to vaccinate against it were already available.

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Thankfully SARS2 (SARS-CoV-2, our current situation) uses almost the exact same version of that protein to infect cells and uses the exact same receptor on human cells. Due to these similarities, scientists were able to pick up where they left off, which sped up the process dramatically.

Further, vaccination strategies have improved significantly in the last 10-plus years, particularly in the past couple of years with the mRNA technology that Moderna and Pfizer have utilized. All of these companies basically just took the DNA or RNA backbone of a vaccine that they had already built and plugged in the SARS2 spike protein’s genetic information.

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That said, the real question is about the human trials. Our country has set up a network of clinical trials with an extremely high bar, particularly with vaccines. The COVID-19 vaccine candidates have not skipped any of the safety trials and measurements necessary, and they haven’t skipped any of the efficacy ones either. It’s been fast in part because people have been so eager to volunteer for the trials, and because the virus has spread like wildfire, infecting a staggering amount of people.

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The COVID-19 vaccines might feel rushed, but they aren’t

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completely false. once again the pharma companies cherry picked trial participants knowing there are many folks who would have dangerous reactions.

Just search up the articles on polyethylene glycol reactions.

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Would you shut the frick up with your un-substantiated bullshite? Look I’m gonna get the vaccine too but to say it wasn’t rushed is ridiculous.

Vaccines are typically tested on animals for a long period prior to human trials. Once it’s safety and efficacy are verified does it move on to human phased trials. How long was this vaccine tested on animals compared to a typical vaccine? This has little to nothing to do with government interference btw.

Are you also saying that the CV19 vaccine wasn’t sped up by the use of adaptive trials? If so, you are once again wrong.

They also compressed testing phases to speed up the trials.

I’m all for the vaccine, but you sir, are full of shite.

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Every single step was followed. The only difference between this vaccine development and the measles development was the fact that money was no object, there was no red tape, every modern country around the world was working on it simultaneously. mRNA vaccines have been in development for a while. The vaccines were tested in monkeys and mice too. The only reason they weren’t tested on monkeys for years is because they worked right away.

Don’t confuse something happening quickly with something being rushed. Saying it was rushed implies they cut corners, and I see no evidence that happened.

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Everyone knows you're an RN. Congratulations again. If you're getting the vaccine, why the frick does it matter if someone else doesn't?

Go decorate a white board and when you're done with that, wake someone up to give them their sleep medication

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You are brilliant. This goes for you saying this is just a cold as well.

What research are you basing your opinions on? You asking why does it matter if someone else doesn't is a real insightful question..

There are a bunch of people commenting as if they know everything about this virus and the vaccine. Its okay to admit that the shite you say is just your opinion.

I only know what I read and its hard to know what is 100% accurate, but I try to use a little common sense to piece things together.

The reason it matters whether other RNs get the vaccine or not is because they can still get it and spread it to patients or anyone else that hasn't been vaccinated.

And its not "just a cold" as you said in another post. My mom got it in July. She is a healthy 74 year old who is always on the go. If she has a cold, she still doesn't stop. This had her unable to get out of bed for 2 weeks. When she did have to get out, she said it took so much energy out of her that all she wanted to do was sleep.. and not move.

After about 2 weeks she started feeling better and while she is pretty much back to normal, ever since having it, she can't do everything she used to without having to stop and rest for a little while. But from now on, when someone gets it and has a bad experience with it, I will just let them know that Tiger0891 from the OT says its just a cold.

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am a critical care RN. One of the first patients I had developed GBS from covid. There is research on post covid issues. 60 minutes had a segment on it, a hospital in NY created a unit specificaly for these peope...

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First of all, thank you for your efforts. I am curious though, are you sure the GBS was a direct result of Covid? This is a NOVEL virus, and therefore we were literally throwing the kitchen sink at these people. Trying everything and learning as we went, experimental drugs included. To attribute GBS directly to Covid is a tad reckless, but that’s just my opinion.

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People with ME/CFS, and possibly the post-COVID long haulers, may have an ongoing low level of inflammation in the brain, or decreased blood flow to the brain, or an autoimmune condition in which the body makes antibodies that attack the brain, or several of these abnormalities.

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Do you think this could be at all attributed to hypoxia? I have literally seen people walk into the ED with AMS with an O2 sat in the 40’s with matching numbers on ABG and normal CO2 in no respiratory distress, Covid +. Family brought them in because of AMS, not Covid. Where you and I both know the reason for the AMS.

What percentage of these patients are you seeing that were on ECMO and remained hypoxic? Or were fortunate enough to avoid ECMO but suffered barotrauma from the extremely high PEEP due to the inability to oxygenate, even on paralytics? We are seeing a large percentage of fibrotic lung tissue in these patients that will never recover.

Initially we thought there was a connection between ischemic MI and Covid. Because there is definitely a connection with Covid and coagulopathy disorders. Now we are learning these Covid NSTEMI’s are NOT the result of ischemia, rather it is the result of hypoxia and the subsequent myocardial damage.

My point is we don’t really know a lot about this Novel virus and it’s long term effects. At this point it’s all mostly speculation.

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The COVID-19 vaccine candidates have not skipped any of the safety trials and measurements necessary, and they haven’t skipped any of the efficacy ones either.

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I never said they were “skipped”. I did say they used adaptive and compressed clinical trials, which they did. This process “sped” up the approval process. That is just a FACT. Again I’m all for the vaccine.

I appreciate the Salt Lake paper link as well, but I prefer peer reviewed journals for my information. I know everyone is saying SARS1 and MERS vaccine research gave us a leg up on this, and I’m sure it did. However surely you are aware those were completely different approaches to the vaccine as well, as Both first clinical trials were based on DNA vaccines encoding the spike (S) glycoprotein and the results of the SARS-CoV vaccine have not been published yet.

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Oh really? That’s the only difference huh?

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Long term risks of coronavirus are unknown

Risks of mRNA vaccine for coronavirus are unknown

Insert politics and everyone is a genius with a crystal ball

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That and 70 years of medical developments.

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But wait, you just said the ONLY difference was money, more countries involved and no red tape. Do you need me to re-copy YOUR post for YOU?

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Why don’t you fill us in on what corners we’re cut?

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Again, I didn’t say corners were cut. I did say they were sped up. This is a fact. Again this comes back to that whole comprehension thing you seem to struggle with.

As far as the differences between measles vaccine and CV19 vaccine I thought you already knew all this? I mean you just posted the ONLY differences. Do I need to re-post YOUR post for YOU again? Judging by your posts, you seem to deal a lot in absolutes and seem to “think” you know everything. I’m sure you have google. You look up the differences. There are a LOT.

You see, this is what happens when you don’t know what the frick you are talking about and get smacked down upon. Have a nice day.

He’s a wannabe know it all, that in reality is a low IQ individual who doesn’t know shite.

That is a firehose of undiluted disinformation.