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re: I have someone trying to pitch me on Solar Farms...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:18 pm to weagle99
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:18 pm to weagle99
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Can someone explain how clear cutting a forest to install a solar farm is ‘better for the environment’? Because that is happening.
It isn't and it never will be.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:22 pm to The Torch
Ecoplexus out of Cali is planning a 1400 acre solar farm in East Feliciana parish. I think its a $250 million dollar investment. I am watching that one with interest to see how it plans out.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:29 pm to FutureMikeVIII
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You got a source for this? I seriously doubt the energy balance is negative for solar panels
Only place in this country solar is net positive is south of a line between Los Angeles due east to the Miss River
Basically southern Cali, AZ, NM, TX and most of Louisiana
All the solar panels in the Northeast and Northwest are a complete waste
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:32 pm to weagle99
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Can someone explain how clear cutting a forest to install a solar farm is ‘better for the environment’? Because that is happening.
No renewable energy company will ever pay a landowner to cut down trees. All leases are negotiated on buildable acreage and trees are not considered "buildable acreage."
Now, if a landowner decides that its beneficial for himself to remove the trees and pursue a renewable lease, that's a differnet story.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 12:58 pm to curtastrophe
do you work in this field?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:07 pm to The Torch
Guy put in a field of solar panels near me, claims to be making 75k a month. May be bullshite, IDK.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:20 pm to The Torch
My cousin is doing the "land man" aspect of that now. It is much better than timber or grazing on an $/acre/year basis. One thing they look for is property near transmission lines that have excess capacity. They were working NWLA (Haynesville Shale area) and some folks were resistant to it because they were already flush with the O&G royalties and/or didn't like the look of solar farms.
Depending on your other plans for the land, run the numbers and see if it works for you.
Depending on your other plans for the land, run the numbers and see if it works for you.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:25 pm to ChuckUFarley
If you destroy beautiful wildlife for "safe sustainable power" I think it would be extremely saddening. Wildlife continues to shrink and if you destroy more land permanently because those leak alot of stuff onto the ground, you'd destroy the land forever.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:25 pm to Tigeralum2008
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West Baton Rouge is starting to receive complaints from locals regarding the unsightly appearance
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West Baton Rouge
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unsightly appearance
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:26 pm to The Torch
I would wait a few years before committing land to Solar Farm.
1. It's found money so don't rush into a commitment with it.
2. Solar farming is still new, let it settle down to a time when it's no longer some new pitch for speculative investments.
3. New solar technologies are being developed that will be more efficient. More efficient = more revenue for the land space, or less land committed for same revenue.
The efficiency of the panels should be at the top of the concern. If you commit to an investor using crap, you are screwed.
1. It's found money so don't rush into a commitment with it.
2. Solar farming is still new, let it settle down to a time when it's no longer some new pitch for speculative investments.
3. New solar technologies are being developed that will be more efficient. More efficient = more revenue for the land space, or less land committed for same revenue.
The efficiency of the panels should be at the top of the concern. If you commit to an investor using crap, you are screwed.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:27 pm to lawlcow318008
quote:wat?
because those leak alot of stuff onto the ground,
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:29 pm to fightin tigers
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All I have heard is get a solid contract.
One that pays you no matter what the market does.
This right here. Even if they aren't flat out scams (a lot of them are), they will definitely over-promise on tax rebates and savings to make the sale.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 1:30 pm to Upperaltiger06
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but the government subsidizes so it may be lucrative for you.
Not as lucrative as the dude from Shreveport says. You can almost guathat.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:09 pm to IAmNERD
my family was approached this summer by several solar companies. we've had a transmission line & substation on property for decades. this deal is worth a lot more $ than trees...
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:16 pm to The Torch
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not a simple quick transaction between landowner and solar company. I believe it has to be approved by at least the parish you're in with environmental/EPA studies etc.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:17 pm to IAmNERD
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This right here. Even if they aren't flat out scams (a lot of them are), they will definitely over-promise on tax rebates and savings to make the sale.
Are you talking about residential? Savings and tax credits don't have anything to do with utility scale land deals.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:18 pm to Tomatocantender
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not a simple quick transaction between landowner and solar company. I believe it has to be approved by at least the parish you're in with environmental/EPA studies etc.
The land lease is a simple B2C transaction. The development may require permitting and other considerations depending on the authority having jurisdiction. There's also a lengthy and sometimes tedious interconnection process, financing diligence and a million other things that need to be done before a single module is installed.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:23 pm to The Torch
Cleco wanted to do this in DeSoto Parish several months ago and supposedly it got shot down.
You in DeSoto baw?
You in DeSoto baw?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:28 pm to billjamin
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not a simple quick transaction between landowner and solar company. I believe it has to be approved by at least the parish you're in with environmental/EPA studies etc.
The land lease is a simple B2C transaction. The development may require permitting and other considerations depending on the authority having jurisdiction. There's also a lengthy and sometimes tedious interconnection process, financing diligence and a million other things that need to be done before a single module is installed.
I spoke to a land surveyor a while back about this. They get 6 request for proposal per month to survey sites in Louisiana for solar farms. They turn in the proposals and get 1 every 3 months that actually go through with the surveying. 1 of those a year actually end up moving forward with the farm. Every company is coming here because the regulations are easier to get through than other states. Keep that in mind. He said in Louisiana, they can get approval inside of 2 years to build where other states it averages 3-4 years for approval.
Also, for residential, basically, you can't sell back everything you produce over consumption because there are wire, line, and equipment maintenance costs that are build into residential rates. You aren't going to be paid back this portion of the rate if you produce because you never incur those costs. So, yeah, it isn't as lucrative to have residential solar panels, but if done right, you can still save money.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:35 pm to SaintEB
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I spoke to a land surveyor a while back about this. They get 6 request for proposal per month to survey sites in Louisiana for solar farms. They turn in the proposals and get 1 every 3 months that actually go through with the surveying. 1 of those a year actually end up moving forward with the farm. Every company is coming here because the regulations are easier to get through than other states. Keep that in mind. He said in Louisiana, they can get approval inside of 2 years to build where other states it averages 3-4 years for approval.
Thats the pre-NTP "developers" who try to scoop up land cheap and spend a couple bucks on a survey, congestion analysis and try to pimp it out to someone like LightSource or one of the real operators. They roll the dice on 10 projects hoping 1 will hit. Works for some, others go tits up quick. Funny aside, most of the baws that run these are former O&G landmen.
quote:Net metering really varies a lot by utility and thats before we get into RECs and others. Some are more lucrative than others. Storage is going to make export a thing of the past in the near future. We can thank California for fricking around and they're about to find out what decentralized tech can do and how much that'll arse frick these monopolies.
Also, for residential, basically, you can't sell back everything you produce over consumption because there are wire, line, and equipment maintenance costs that are build into residential rates. You aren't going to be paid back this portion of the rate if you produce because you never incur those costs. So, yeah, it isn't as lucrative to have residential solar panels, but if done right, you can still save money.
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