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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:08 pm to stewie
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:08 pm to stewie
quote:I don't doubt that.
I know I have a biased view but I feel comfortable stating that our sugarcane is produced as efficiently as any other place in the world with far less environmental impact.
I saw news of some baws growing cane in Concordia Ph - the pressure's on.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:18 pm to stewie
quote:
And no, sugarcane and sugar beet farmers do not receive subsidies
I work in the sugarcane business. And yes it is subsidized. The industry does the smoke and mirror thing that the gvt doesn’t spend any money on it. The reality is we are a net importer of sugar so tariffs in the range of 3x world market prices are placed on imports which Artificially drive up US sugar prices to consumers. So instead of tax payers sending the money to the farmers if directky from the consumer. It all works because it controlled by a handful of players in the US and the processors are making barrels of money
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:21 pm to agdoctor
I know some Patouts
They arent hurting
They all drive platinum f250s and have 30 ft Contenders
They arent hurting
They all drive platinum f250s and have 30 ft Contenders
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:21 pm to stewie
quote:
stewie
Cut me off a piece of that suga cane, baw
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:24 pm to Cosmo
quote:I'd reckon most of these baws own a sizeable acreage which is where their wealth comes from. There ain't many wealthy "tenant farmers" I'm aware of.
I know some Patouts They arent hurting They all drive platinum f250s and have 30 ft Contenders
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:31 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
I can't imagine how much the big time operations like the Dudas and Wedgeworths made.
The Duda’s print money. Not just from sugar but ag in general.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:41 pm to agdoctor
quote:
agdoctor
With that Aristide, you must work for the Florida industry.
It’s an entirely different animal in LA.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:46 pm to stewie
quote:
So you are OK with throwing American farm jobs under the bus infavor of heavily subsidized foreign sugar industries?
First, I'm not just picking on the sugar industry or agriculture. I'm for cutting all forms of subsidies, government protections, corporate welfare - whatever label you want to put on it. I philosophically don't support the government deciding that industry A deserves to be helped but not industries B, C, or D.
The progression of economies is to grow from ones that are agrarian based to those that are more industrialized to now those that are service and technology based. Government intervention, however well-intentioned it may be, diverts resources and slows that progression. Countries that are directly subsidizing their agricultural exports have made their decision and I believe will continue to fall behind economically as a result. Why would the U.S. (as a whole) not take advantage of that and continue to develop a more STEM focused workforce/economy?
I realize that this is all very personal to you and I don't want you to think I'm trying to downplay that. I'm sure I would have different feelings about it if I were vested in it as you are.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:50 pm to Cosmo
quote:
I know some Patouts
They arent hurting
They all drive platinum f250s and have 30 ft Contenders
Yea but they’ve been growing sugarcane here for over 200 years, own a bunch of land, have a planting and harvesting operation and own a couple mills
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:16 pm to Muice
The Dudas have 1000s of acres in Australia, too, I believe.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:23 pm to Brummy
I'm not a fan of subsidies at all either but you are crazy if you want this country to be reliant on other countries for our food.
It would make the oil wars look like kittens play and is beyond stupid.
It would make the oil wars look like kittens play and is beyond stupid.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:50 pm to lsuson
quote:
Stewie, anyway I can get my hands on a barrel of cane syrup??
Call the sugarmill in white castle
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:58 pm to Brummy
Brummy, it’s all good.
Doesn’t matter if it’s the can industry, the steel industry, or bio medical industry, I’d rather not lose a viable American industry because a foreign country decided to prey on it and our country sat idly by.
Additionally, the savings wouldn’t be passed on to the consumer. Confectioners would keep that as profit. Had one say it to my face a few years ago.
Doesn’t matter if it’s the can industry, the steel industry, or bio medical industry, I’d rather not lose a viable American industry because a foreign country decided to prey on it and our country sat idly by.
Additionally, the savings wouldn’t be passed on to the consumer. Confectioners would keep that as profit. Had one say it to my face a few years ago.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:02 pm to CAD703X
I love threads where non-ag folks read a handful of poorly researched sources and come onto a message board and act like they know more than people who work in ag.
Please understand that practically everything written about agriculture is done so from one biased position or another. The reality is somewhere in between.
Stewie isn’t trying to mislead anyone ITT. Follow his lead on this one.
Please understand that practically everything written about agriculture is done so from one biased position or another. The reality is somewhere in between.
Stewie isn’t trying to mislead anyone ITT. Follow his lead on this one.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:14 pm to CAD703X
Compared to the loaned amount, the government essentially buys sugar cane from farmers at a loss right?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 4:26 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
quote:
the government essentially buys sugar cane from farmers at a loss right?
Farmers and Millers use it as collateral.
Example, I cut my crop in late 2017. The mill makes raw sugar that still needs to be refined. However, the refinery won’t refine all of it until late 2018.
You better bet that the refinery won’t pay until it refined and sells that sugar.
So, I as the farmer am stuck with expenses from the harvest and inputs for the new crop in 2018.
That’s where USDA comes in and loans the money to the mill and farmer in early 2018 and using the 2017 harvest raw sugar as collateral.
We pay that loan back with interest.
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