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Tigeralum2008
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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I farm sugarcane in south LA with family. 2017 was an excellent crop year for most sugarcane farmers. I believe the state posted its highest ever yield on a per acre basis.
We'll also receive a slightly above average price for our sugar (being a non-GMO crop does have a marketing advantage)
When you couple the two together, it makes for a good year.


Do you sell it to the ASR refinery in Chalmette?


nicholastiger
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
They killed that industry off about 20 years ago


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Stating facts isn't trolling. The sugar industry has benefited from significant federal protection since colonial times.



Brummy, the program you just described is not a subsidy. We don’t get payments in any form from the US government.

There is a tarrif/quota system that puts a tarrif on sugar from countries that have been found to heavily subsidize their own sugar industries, such as Brazil or India.

Part of the program you listed is a loan program in which the US government loans money to sugar producers to pay for inputs for next year’s crop. The producers use the sugar as collateral...however, we (really the sugar mills) pay that back with interest.

USDA’s sugar program has run at ZERO cost the the US tax payers 14 of the last 15 years. The one year it cost to run the program was directly tied to Mexico dumping sugar below their cost of production into the US market.
They were dumping their sugar into the US market the stabilize and inflate their own domestic market.

A subsidy is a direct payment from one group to another. We don’t receive that.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
Castro going communist was the greatest thing that happened to the farmers and cattlemen around Lake Okeechobee. Grandaddy plowed up those vegetables and started planting cane. Granddaddy made a good living with a small farm. I can't imagine how much the big time operations like the Dudas and Wedgeworths made.


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employ undocumented immigrants.


Do some research on the Department is Labor’s H2A temporary work visa program before making that statement.

We do employ some seasonal labor through the H2A work visa program and so so many farms across the US.


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pointdog33
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
If there weren't restriction on the imports, those countries below the border would literally dump all their sugar into the US market.

They still dump there sugar here as much as they can. They want to flood our market to drive down the price. Even at the low prices they still make money because of their advantage of cheap labor and very few restrictions.


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Do you sell it to the ASR refinery in Chalmette?


We sell to the LSR CoOp refinery in Gramercy.

Most LA farmers send to mills with commitments to supply LSR.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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Brummy, the program you just described is not a subsidy. We don’t get payments in any form from the US government.
You might not get a check, but the end result is the same as you getting a check.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
US Foods and Cargill move a shite ton of sugar from Louisiana Sugar Refinery in Gramercy


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stewie
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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might not get a check, but the end result is the same as you getting a check.


The tax payers aren’t paying for a dime.

The biggest misconception out there is that the LA industry isn’t competitive and is being propped up.
We are as efficient as any cane producing country...those other countries actually receive a direct subsidy. We don’t. How do you think Brazil’s farmers can sell sugar at $.14-$.16 on the world dump market with the cost of production being $.18-$.19 per lb of sugar on average?


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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stewie


stewie wins this thread easily


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Brummy
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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They still dump there sugar here as much as they can. They want to flood our market to drive down the price. Even at the low prices they still make money because of their advantage of cheap labor and very few restrictions.

Why can't the U.S. consumer be allowed to benefit from lower prices of a product that is able to be grown cheaper elsewhere?


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Why can't the U.S. consumer be allowed to benefit from lower prices of a product that is able to be grown cheaper elsewhere?


so you're all in on other countries subsidizing crops to frick over the US?

very infantile view of things.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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The tax payers aren’t paying for a dime.
Actually, we pay in the form of higher sugar prices at the retail level.

Look, i'm pro-Ag, grew up doing it, just call it what it is bro.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
Check out the Maple Syrup Mafia on Dirty Money on Netflix.


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stewie
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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Actually, we pay in the form of higher sugar prices at the retail level.


Actually, the average US consumer pays less than your average consumer in developed countries across the world. At the retail level.

That’s where having great infrastructure helps (relatively speaking of course).


I know I have a biased view but I feel comfortable stating that our sugarcane is produced as efficiently as any other place in the world with far less environmental impact.


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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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so you're all in on other countries subsidizing crops to frick over the US?

very infantile view of things.

It's infantile because I'm looking at more that just one segment of the supply chain? The cost of anything with sugar in it is inflated because the government arbitrarily determines what's a "fair" price. At the end, the U.S. consumers pay the cost of the program, the vast majority of whom are not sugar farmers.


Tigeralum2008
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
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It's infantile because I'm looking at more that just one segment of the supply chain? The cost of anything with sugar in it is inflated because the government arbitrarily determines what's a "fair" price. At the end, the U.S. consumers pay the cost of the program, the vast majority of whom are not sugar farmers.


It actually costs more to refine imported sugar than it does to receive american sugar. The cane is different and actually takes more effort to clean and process through to finished product. I'm not talking about buying the raw cane, I'm talking about refining it.


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stewie
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re: How's the South La sugar cane industry these days?
Brummy,

So you are OK with throwing American farm jobs under the bus infavor of heavily subsidized foreign sugar industries?

If you want a case study, look what happened with the European Union. They dismantled their sugar program about 10 years ago infavor is world prices. They lost 80% of their own domestic industry and their consumers have actually paid (at the retail level) 10% more for for sugar because of the fluctuation and volatility of the world market.

Just now, they are looking to reinstate some form of sugar program ...


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