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How wealthy you need to be to do certain things

Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted by southernelite
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:03 pm
After seeing the Lake Charles thread, I thought I’d run the OT through the varying degrees of wealth that exist. Also keep in mind that there are significant differences in lifestyle choices based on whether the person/estate is in wealth accumulation mode or wealth preservation mode. I am assuming for the purposes below that we are somewhere in between the two and want to leave an inheritance behind. As you climb in wealth, there is a ton of nuance that goes into lifestyle/spending decisions.

$250,000 - Probably have anywhere from $150k-250k annual salary; we can afford a decent house, we may have a bit of commute, can splurge on occasion and probably don't have too much to worry about as long as you don't get laid off.

$500,000 - Probably have a $250-500k salary, we upgraded the house so we don't have much a commute, kids in private school, can afford brand new luxury cars (Benz, BMW, Volvo, etc.), vacations, maybe a boat or other toy. Getting laid off could be an issue dependent on transferability off skillset.

$1,000,000 - $7,500,000 - The differences as we go up in this category are subtle, but they exist. We’re getting into more exclusive neighborhoods, private schools, luxury cars, luxury vacations, entertainment, designer clothes, first class flights, nice boat and maybe even a small used single prop plane (Cessna 4-seater or something similar). We’re joining country clubs, exclusive social clubs, and are entering the socialite scene.

$7,500,000-$50,000,000 - Pretty much the same at the 1-7.5mm category, but the vacations are nicer and perhaps some exotic locales, perhaps we now own a vacation home, more exclusive country clubs, and now you can definitely afford a couple of splurges (lambo, ferrari, mclaren supercar), you can spend within reason and live a luxurious life. Flying first class, vacationing when you want, etc. We could be flying private on occasion, but it’s still a bit of stretch. The higher up we go in this category, the more of this we sre be able to do. At the upper end here, you can get a suite or some floor seats. We do need to be careful not to overextend and blow ourselves up.

$50,000,000-$150,000,000 - Now we're getting really getting into upper echelons of the wealth. Money is not an object, and we can spend freely. We’re able to fly private when we want, on the lower end you need to keep it in check somewhat but at the upper end we don't worry too much. Floor seats, luxury suites, and high-end entertainment options are within our reach. We can buy an expensive vacation home, fractional ownership of a twin-turbo prop (King Air, Pilatus, Piper) and maybe fractional interest in a small used jet at the very upper end. Maybe a small yacht is more you speed; you can do it. You probably need to choose between a jet and a yacht and a vacation home depending on how high-end of each you want.

$150,000,000-$250,000,000 - Similar to above, but we're upgrading the jets, the boats, and vacation homes. We can charter a business class jet whenever we want. We need to decide what we want to do here: do we want to own a business class jet, a mid-size ranch, a stupidly expensive yacht, or a yard full of a quarter million-dollar cars. Our only concern is making sure that we have liquidity to fund our desired lifestyle so we need to make sure that we don't have too much tied up in illiquid investments and we do want to watch our spending on depreciable assets that could suck us dry. We need to do some estate planning and consider the next generations.

$250,000,000-$1,000,000,000 - Now we are considering our legacy. We have a private foundation, we have a family office to manage our affairs, and we can spend with impunity. We're traveling exclusively private, and we probably own a jet. We can pick our poison here, do we want a $50-100mm asset (ranch, yacht, minority stake in a sports team) or two. As we approach the billion-dollar mark, we can probably do multiple $50-100mm assets. It depends on how we want to manage those as well; ranches, boats, planes, etc. are expensive to staff and maintain.

$1,000,000,000+ - Congratulations, money is no object, just don't be too stupid and we can do what you want. We may need a few billion to buy a sports team, but otherwise, we can buy what you want. We can borrow money with ease, so liquidity isn’t a huge issue for us.

One thing to keep in mind is that boats, ranches, vacation homes, and airplanes can run 5-10% of the cost to maintain or even more. So, a $20,000,000 plane can cost $2,000,000 to maintain not considering upgrades and such.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:04 pm to
You need to be pretty wealthy to indulge in DC hookers
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:05 pm to
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$1,000,000,000+ - Congratulations, money


S, Paul Allen, Cosmo
Posted by 225bred
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:05 pm to
Stupid thread is stupid
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:05 pm to
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a $20,000,000 plane can cost $2,000,000 to maintain not considering upgrades and such.


tldr, but that $2million number for maintaining is way low for that class of jet
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:06 pm to
What category does Southern Elite fall in?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:06 pm to
$250,000 is legacy money?



How many kids we talkin’?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:08 pm to
Do you really have to get to the 7 mil range to own a "vacation home"?
Posted by RockoRou
SW Miss
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:09 pm to
You need a certain amount of money to do certain things.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:09 pm to
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a $20,000,000 plane can cost $2,000,000 to maintain not considering upgrades and such.


tldr, but that $2million number is way low for that class of jet


Knowing very little about aviation and the economics of private planes, I would have to guess that the yearly upkeep and somewhat regular use of any private plane is going to be pretty close to the actual cost of actually purchasing said plane in most instances, if not often exceeding it.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:09 pm to
You spent a lot of time on a thread that is ultimately boring and pointless. Not good!
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:10 pm to
Love the post, and concur.

The very interesting part to me is how each gets to their first $1mm.

I would also like to add for the group in the $1mm - $2mm range will be for a short time once they retire as they have to draw down on investments to live, in the large majority of cases.



Posted by auwaterfowler
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:10 pm to
I have second-hand embarrassment that you obviously spent a ton of time crafting one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on the OT.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53471 posts
Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:11 pm to
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tldr, but that $2million number is way low for that class of jet


I didn’t include any costs associated with flying it (fuel, landing fees, travel costs) or upgrades.

Just crew salaries, hangar rent, inspections, and R&M.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

I would have to guess that the yearly upkeep and somewhat regular use of any private plane is going to be pretty close to the actual cost of actually purchasing said plane in most instances, if not often exceeding it.


not quite that much but it's a huge factor, I always tell people that are thinking of buying a plane that the purchase price is just the entry fee
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:13 pm to
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quote:
a $20,000,000 plane can cost $2,000,000 to maintain not considering upgrades and such.


tldr, but that $2million number for maintaining is way low for that class of jet


Theres aviation companies that pull in hundreds of millions of dollars a year and they cant even within their own company justify buying a private jet just for the executives to fly in lieu of upgraded tickets.

Its a very very expensive endevour. You have to not only have money but a steady stream of it.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:13 pm to
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Do you really have to get to the 7 mil range to own a "vacation home"?


You need over $7.5mm to have $1mm plus in a primary residence and $1mm plus in a vacation home, yes.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:13 pm to
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The very interesting part to me is how each gets to their first $1mm.


Marry someone making $$$$

quote:

I would also like to add for the group in the $1mm - $2mm range will be for a short time once they retire as they have to draw down on investments to live, in the large majority of cases.


Lifestyle creep. I just took a 20k vacation for the first time and ended up with pictures. Not sure why my wife did this
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 12:15 pm
Posted by zuluboudreaux
God’s country USA
Member since Jan 2008
876 posts
Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:14 pm to
You can be a multimillionaire and no one would know.
Its all about the lifestyle you choose to live and what you choose to display to others.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
53471 posts
Posted on 3/3/25 at 12:16 pm to
Unless you have a specific reason to need a jet, like you need to be wheels up in a matter of hours at any given time, then you’re better off just chartering.

But rich people don’t always think rationally about things like that.
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