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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:23 pm to baldona
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We are talking 20 year old moms that stay at home to raise 3 kids and a dead beat dad.
Again, how are you policing this? Are you putting staff at the welfare office who have to make these kinds of decisions? Is there a specific policy to put in place that covers all scenarios? Is it just up to some random employee to judge whether someone "deserves" welfare or not?
There would almost certainly be an appeals policy in place, as is the case with all government assistance programs, and you'd have thousands of people appealing their denials every week. Now you need special entities to deal with the insane number of appeals cases that will inevitably come in once we start telling someone they don't get welfare purely because they're an unwed mother.
Also. Let's be real. You will never see the day our government decides to frick over innocent children. Not gonna happen. Even if doing that might solve inner city violence, no government official is stupid enough to present a plan that hurts and possibly kills infants and children (re: your assertion that people that can't afford housing should be homeless).
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:24 pm to baldona
quote:The people we're talking about don't have mortgages.
Do you know what a mortgage payment is on a $50,000 house for 30 years? Like $300.
quote:That's all it takes to raise a competent child who will be productive in society, a little rice and beans?
How much does water, beans, and rice cost for family of 3 for a month?
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:25 pm to Chad504boy
We've tried education. That route is not supported by the adults in the child's life. It has to start at home.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:26 pm to SabiDojo
quote:President Sabs!!!!
I don't think anyone denies that black people in this country from the beginning were dealt a shitty hand, and their culture today is partly due to the policies in the past. But the laws are different now. They don't differentiate between black and white to the detriment of black people. Yet they still struggle, and it's because only black people can cure their ailments now, and it starts with having an honest conversation about their culture and how it needs to be changed. White people can't do it for them.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:27 pm to baldona
quote:Kids get nothing too?
I'm saying, we don't allow anyone free food and shelter. If they can't pay for those on their own, they literally get no luxuries.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:28 pm to shel311
The only long term solution is for the government to take the children away from the baby's momma and raise them in an institutional setting. Eventually these children would have a better chance in life.... sad but true
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:29 pm to shel311
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I'm saying, we don't allow anyone free food and shelter. If they can't pay for those on their own, they literally get no luxuries.
Kids get nothing too
At some point you have to hold parents responsible. If we allow the govt to provide, many people come to expect it.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:29 pm to Chad504boy
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Education System for starters
If this is to work then we should all realize and admit that bussing was a big FAILURE in Baton Rouge. It ruined the neighborhood schools, increased neighborhood crime, and eventually devalued the properties of homes in the area.
If we continue to reward baby mommas with food stamps for shooting out kids, then we are in trouble. We need have a stronger vetting process for welfare reciepients and madatory drug testing. The police force needs to set up satellite offices in the projects and worst areas of town and show a much stronger street prescence. There should be major sting operations and raids to drive out the thugs, drug dealers and pimps. At least make them flee to Houston. “let’s have a candid talk about race” isn’t a one way white-bashing street.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:31 pm to shel311
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Do you know what a mortgage payment is on a $50,000 house for 30 years? Like $300.
The people we're talking about don't have mortgages.
No shite, but that's all it costs the government. So if they are living in government housing then that's the minimum they should have to pay.
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How much does water, beans, and rice cost for family of 3 for a month?
That's all it takes to raise a competent child who will be productive in society, a little rice and beans?
Kids go to school, they eat 2 meals a day there generally. That has plenty of sustenance. Explain how we have a fat kid on welfare?
I'm saying take away luxury items.
FWIW, I worked in social work out of college and I still volunteer with the company. You would be blown away how much junk and luxury people on welfare have. We literally have many people on disability that have to go and buy new Tvs every year because they can't go over $2000/ cash in the bank for Social Security.
So, you tell me, how is stuff like that acceptable?
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Many of these "parents" are having multiple kids for a paycheck, they don't care one bit about the kids.
At some point you have to hold parents responsible. If we allow the govt to provide, many people come to expect it.
So pull the plug on the kids and that will solve what? Those kids now have even less of a chance of being productive as an adult.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:34 pm to SaintBrees
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You will never see the day our government decides to frick over innocent children. Not gonna happen. Even if doing that might solve inner city violence, no government official is stupid enough to present a plan that hurts and possibly kills infants and children
In a really fricked up world. We would allow kids to be bought and sold. These kids could be sold by the poor mothers who can't afford to raise them.
Rich families that are unable to have kids could come in and buy them, then raising them in a loving, supportive, stable household.
Holy shite. I think I just described the adoption process
Eta: Brees I'm not arguing with you. You are one hundred percent correct. I just have a bone to pick with the adoption process.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:36 pm to baldona
quote:You're basically saying it costs $200 or less per month to feed an adult and 2 kids, as well as clothes for the children, healthcare expenses, running water, electricity, and toys or something to actually stimulate the children as opposed to a couple of kids under 5 sitting in an empty house.
Kids go to school, they eat 2 meals a day there generally. That has plenty of sustenance. Explain how we have a fat kid on welfare?
I'm saying take away luxury items.
That's not logical.
quote:As a few have said multiple times, no one is disagreeing with this.
FWIW, I worked in social work out of college and I still volunteer with the company. You would be blown away how much junk and luxury people on welfare have. We literally have many people on disability that have to go and buy new Tvs every year because they can't go over $2000/ cash in the bank for Social Security.
So, you tell me, how is stuff like that acceptable?
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:36 pm to baldona
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You would be blown away how much junk and luxury people on welfare have. We literally have many people on disability that have to go and buy new Tvs every year because they can't go over $2000/ cash in the bank for Social Security.
Like on July 4th when they roll up in the Escalade and buy $400 worth of fireworks. It's because the cash they make under the table doesn't have to be used on trivial things such as food, shelter, health insurance, and cell phones
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:36 pm to shel311
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Many of these "parents" are having multiple kids for a paycheck, they don't care one bit about the kids.
So pull the plug on the kids and that will solve what? Those kids now have even less of a chance of being productive as an adult.
This is almost universally wrong. They don't have a new kid to get paid, almost never.
I have a girl I worked with that tried to get "fixed" after two kids, she was low IQ disabled. She ended up having 4. She never wanted any of them. She is a decent mom, but 4 kids with low IQ and not dads is not easy.
Almost none of them are smart enough to have more kids for more checks when they are in their teens. They learn to work the system in their 20s, but the kids already school age by then.
Again, almost no one is having more kids for a bigger check. It doesn't work that way.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:37 pm to Tyga Woods
Education
Better Healthcare
Less Discrimination
Financial education
Better Healthcare
Less Discrimination
Financial education
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:38 pm to StrongSafety
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Education
Better Healthcare
Less Discrimination
Financial education
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:38 pm to baldona
quote:Ok, I concede that point.
Again, almost no one is having more kids for a bigger check. It doesn't work that way.
But won't concede that many of them don't exactly care about their kids well being. I'm sure you've seen the living conditions, that's proof enough.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:38 pm to Cosmo
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Very harsh enforcement of gun related crimes and illegal possession of firearms. Stop and frisk.
How'd that work for Reagan and Nixon?
Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:39 pm to shel311
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You're basically saying it costs $200 or less per month to feed an adult and 2 kids, as well as clothes for the children, healthcare expenses, running water, electricity, and toys or something to actually stimulate the children as opposed to a couple of kids under 5 sitting in an empty house.
That's not logical
No, I'm saying in todays world you can absolutely afford the absolute necessities of life for about $600. If you want more than the absolutely necessities, you should have to work. If you don't work, you eat rice and beans and you don't get a tv and a 4x4 truck or a caddy with spinners.
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