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re: How the HELL is Troy H. Middleton a reminder of a racist past?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:44 am to cahoots
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:44 am to cahoots
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What was going on between then? I guess it was still the norm to be racist even after the court decision?
Gallup polling shows us 1/3 of Americans don’t Support marriage certificates for gay couples, although trending lower ever since that shitty Supreme Court ruling.
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Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:45 am to TBoy
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The sudden appearance of Middleton lovers is ridiculous. None of them cared at all about Middleton until they learned he was a segregationist. Now they have taken to him as a symbol of the glorious past.
You are correct.
But on the flip side, how many black students, before a few days ago, were offended at the name of the library? They probably went there and never thought twice about the name.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:57 am to LSUFanHouston
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You are correct.
Never.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:05 am to LSUFanHouston
The problem I see is that the letter is subversive and a clear attempt to stymie and undermine a clear path toward educational and societal equality, which I do not think anyone on here will argue intelligently existed to that point.
It seems contrary to what a distinguished military leader would do in carrying out orders handed down from above unless he thought that the order(s) were immoral or unjust, and by the words in that letter, perhaps those were his prevailing thoughts, which clearly is problematic, his past military accomplishments notwithstanding.
Whether or not his name should come off of the building is perhaps a difficult question, but I can certainly understand that given the above referenced written communication to the president of another prominent educational institution, that African-American students would take umbrage at what should be the center of the institution being named after this particular man.
It seems contrary to what a distinguished military leader would do in carrying out orders handed down from above unless he thought that the order(s) were immoral or unjust, and by the words in that letter, perhaps those were his prevailing thoughts, which clearly is problematic, his past military accomplishments notwithstanding.
Whether or not his name should come off of the building is perhaps a difficult question, but I can certainly understand that given the above referenced written communication to the president of another prominent educational institution, that African-American students would take umbrage at what should be the center of the institution being named after this particular man.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:06 am to Havoc
Obviously no one that's sensible in 2020 agrees with what he wrote 60 years ago...
But I'm certain the irony is lost on those wanting his name removed that because of his leadership, we don't have an authoritarian, fascist government - which wanted to alter history to support their position - controlling the United States.
But I'm certain the irony is lost on those wanting his name removed that because of his leadership, we don't have an authoritarian, fascist government - which wanted to alter history to support their position - controlling the United States.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:12 am to Havoc
Over 4.5 years I spent so many miserable nights in Middleton and not once did I ever think about who Middleton was.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:15 am to cahoots
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I guess it was still the norm to be racist even after the court decision?
What if I told you that Harry S. Truman was in the Klan, then later fought the Klan in Missouri?
And then the same Harry S. Truman integrated the uniformed services, really paving the way for the end of segregated America over the next 15 to 20 years?
We must judge within the lens and context of the times.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:17 am to Ace Midnight
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We must judge within the lens and context of the times.
Yep. Context and intent has been thrown out the window in the last 5-10 years when it comes to political discourse.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:21 am to Havoc
All humans are innately flawed and NONE can pass the Progressive standard of human perfection. In 100 or so years when eating meat is outlawed our generation will be considered no better than slave traders.So bring on the emotional and intellectual INFANTILISM where we pretend to be outraged because this guy said that or that guy said this. Let’s indulge our Inner Taliban and tear it all down. But let’s just do it across the board.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:25 am to Ace Midnight
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This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:35 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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segregation was wrong 60 years agro brah
If you’re going to pitch a fit about every white person who believed in segregation, during segregation, you’re going to spend the next 100 years or so being a whiny bitch.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:38 am to GreatLakesTiger24
The thing is that the letter that’s so problematic was written early on in his career on the integration task force. By 1970, he had changed his views working on that taskforce and eventually became a real ally for African American students in higher ed. Middleton isn’t an example of white supremacy but rather a redemption story of someone overcoming his biases and learning how to be an ally for progress rather than against it. Cancel Culture doesn’t give AF about that. If anyone ever said anything negative at any time, it outweighs any and all accomplishments or changes in opinions they may have had over the span of their life.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:58 am to TBoy
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The sudden appearance of Middleton lovers is ridiculous.
frick you, aight?
The man went with Blackjack Pershing to chase Pancho Villa. He later went with Pershing to France and fought in the 2 most significant engagements of the AEF, the Second Battle of the Marne and the Meuse-Argonne offensive, decorated several times.
Retired from the Army and began seminal work at elevating LSU to major university status. Got recalled (they called him, remember, he'd done his duty) for the sequel. Logged 480 days in combat, more than any other general officer of the United States in WWII. Retired again. Came back to LSU to continue the job he started.
And, he was a flawed human being.
frick it - tear everything down. MLK was a womanizer and plagiarist.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:36 am to TBoy
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The sudden appearance of Middleton lovers is ridiculous. None of them cared at all about Middleton until they learned he was a segregationist. Now they have taken to him as a symbol of the glorious past.
WRONG!!!!!! One of my biggest regrets of my time at LSU was not making the effort to meet LTG Middleton. I was also fully in support of naming the library after him because of his fight to obtain funding for a new library as opposed to South Stadium seating...
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:43 am to Ace Midnight
Hell George Floyd had fentanyl and meth in his system according to the autopsy his family paid for. Every thing we’ve heard has talked about what a wonderful person he was but proof of his imperfections is a lot louder than that of him getting his life together.
Middletons later work clearly out weighs his earlier imperfections and his military service to protect this union for all pushes the scale beyond balanced.
I don’t believe the left will ever understand the irony.
It’s hard to teach someone that believes they know everything.
Middletons later work clearly out weighs his earlier imperfections and his military service to protect this union for all pushes the scale beyond balanced.
I don’t believe the left will ever understand the irony.
It’s hard to teach someone that believes they know everything.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:48 am to cahoots
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What was going on between then? I guess it was still the norm to be racist even after the court decision?
Yes, it was the norm. Read up on "Massive Resistance."
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:55 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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We keep them in a given area and do not permit indiscriminate occupancy."
Funny that he is being called a racist for this but aren't their campuses who want exclusively POC areas now?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:07 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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GreatLakesTiger24
Really put the kabash on this thread
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:14 am to Ace Midnight
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LG, one cannot read that with a 2020 mindset. That was 60 fricking years ago. Hell, segregation was the law. General Middleton wasn't making policy, he was enforcing policy that the folks with money and power over the university wanted.
You’re absolutely right, Ace. I don’t agree with moral absolutism. I hadn’t seen that quote in a while though so it threw me off.
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