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re: How Powerful was Carlos Marcello?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:58 am to Oates Mustache
Posted on 11/21/21 at 3:58 am to Oates Mustache
quote:Calvin Trillin’s classic essay on Mosca’s
How did no one mention Mosca's as a favorite hangout?
quote:Another classic article, written a few days after Katrina by Playboy bunny-turned-playmate-turned-newspaper reporter-turned-mystery novelist Laura Misch, is about NO in the '70s and mentions Mosca's:
John Mosca, whose family opened a roadhouse outside New Orleans in 1946, doesn’t like change. Actually, New Orleans itself resists change—an attitude that is widely thought of as both part of its glory and one of its problems. When people talk about change in New Orleans, it’s often to explain how they’re doing their best to avoid it. A headline in the New Orleans Times-Picayune not long ago about the sale of a bar known for its po’ boy sandwiches read “new parasol’s owners promise minimal changes for the legendary bar and restaurant.”
I’m not much on change myself, particularly when I’m in New Orleans. The city has some remarkable restaurants of recent vintage, for instance, but when I’m back in town I gravitate toward places like Casamento’s, a seafood café on Magazine Street that has been around since 1919. It’s comforting to find Casamento’s virtually unchanged from when I first walked in, decades ago—two simple rooms all done in tiles, so that sitting down to eat one of the renowned oyster loaves is sometimes compared to having lunch in a drained swimming pool. The Napoleon House bar, at St. Louis and Chartres, looks pretty much the way it looked when I visited New Orleans back in high school. So does Galatoire’s, whose interior resembles a large and unusually elegant barbershop. Yes, Galatoire’s now has an additional dining room and a bar on the second floor, but I make it a point not to go up there.
From Highway 90, which runs through what people in New Orleans call the West Bank (the side of the Mississippi River that someone studying a map would be tempted to call south of the city), Mosca’s looks roughly the same as it did in 1946, around the time John Mosca came back from the war in Europe—a small white clapboard building on a deserted stretch of a double-lane highway thirty or forty minutes from the center of the city. When John’s father, Provino Mosca, who had previously operated a restaurant in Chicago Heights, Illinois, opened for business that year, he moved his family into a few rooms in the back. The area around Mosca’s is still deserted. My friend James Edmunds, who lives in New Iberia, Louisiana, about a hundred and thirty miles to the west, says, “It always had the feel of a neighborhood restaurant, except there was no neighborhood.”
quote:And before anyone asks:
Mafia chieftain Carlos Marcello was still alive and very much kicking, and could be found several nights a week holding court at Mosca's, the best restaurant in the whole world. Across the Huey Long Bridge and 20 miles from the Quarter, Mosca's was straight out of "The Godfather," an old family business with Mama in the kitchen and her boys out front, serving up baked oysters with garlic and masses of pasta and shrimp to the local power brokers.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 4:02 am to IceTiger
quote:
Totally agree, but will add: NO has serious geographic drawbacks
Yep…plus no one talks about the changing dynamics of transportation.
Before railroads, water was very important. Now it is not so important except for international trade or if you’re transporting something large or something that can take its time to get there like oil, rocks, or salt. Then once roads were added to transportation network, that added doom to NOLA’s ability to be that hub. Currently, it just sits as a spoke to get goods in and out of barges and get them out sea.
Speaking of Marcello, wasn’t his hang out at that Italian restaurant in of all places Avondale?
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 6:38 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
prior to the 27 flood NOLA was considered the Paris of the west and was one of the major financial centers on the planet. At its peak, it was probably a top 5 city globally
Definitely not top 5, but a very notable city culturally.
NOLA was the 12th biggest city in the USA in 1900
Obviously, all of the major European capitols were more important. That would include…
London
Paris
Moscow
Berlin
Madrid
Brussels
Stockholm
Rome
Warsaw
Amsterdam
Lisbon (maybe)
Vienna
Prague
Then four or five Arab, Persian and Asian capitals, plus 6 or 7 American cities, and that would put NOLA about 25th in the world in 1900.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 6:47 am to jman
quote:
He got JFK killed
Greatest mafia hit of all time.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 6:58 am to TigenPenn
quote:
Been told by someone who worked for him he was the most powerful mafia figure in the country. How was that possible from NOLA?
The Mafia entered the US through New Orleans in the late 1860s-early 1870s. The Matrangas and the Provenzanos.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:03 am to TigenPenn
quote:
Anyone knew him on this board?
Yeah, I'm going to admit to a personal connection to Marcello on a board monitored by the KGB..er, FBI
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:10 am to Kafka
Laura Misch
Did a quick search & IWHI.
Did a quick search & IWHI.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 7:12 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:16 am to Penrod
quote:
Definitely not top 5, but a very notable city culturally.
NOLA was the 12th biggest city in the USA in 1900
New Orleans peaked in 1840 when it was number 3 in population in the US:
New York - 312,710
Baltimore - 102,313
New Orleans - 102,193
Philadelphia - 93,665
Boston - 93,383
Pretty remarkable growth for a city far from the Northeast. But is was down hill after that.
1850 - #5
1860 - #6
1870 - #9
1880 - #10
1890 - #12
1900 - #12
1910 - #15
1920 - #17
1930 - #16
1940 - #15 (bit of a resurgance)
1950 - #16
1960 - #15
1970 - #19
1980 - #21
1990 - #24
2000 - #33
2010 - #52
2019 - #50
In no way was it ever a top 5 city in the world. In 1850 for instance when New Orleans was near it's peak the following cities have to be ranked higher:
London
Paris
New York
Tokyo
Berlin
Istanbul
Moscow
St. Petersburg
Vienna
Beijing
Mumbai
And some others that are more debatable. Moscow is the smallest on the list, and still around 40% larger than New Orleans at the time.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:28 am to TigenPenn
quote:
How could a relative unknown from NOLA
The guy was physically restrained on his way to the immigration office and moved to South America by none other than the Attorney General of the United States. The CIA dropped him in a jungle and took his shoes. That's not a person you could say was a relative unknown.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:32 am to TigenPenn
quote:
How was that possible from NOLA?
You do realize the US Mafia got its start in New Orleans... Matter of fact, the term Mafia, (AKA the Black Hand) was coined in New Orleans.
Only Second to New York with Italian immigrants.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:33 am to Tigris
quote:
London
Paris
New York
Tokyo
Berlin
Istanbul
Moscow
St. Petersburg
Vienna
Beijing
Mumbai
Tokyo wasn't even open in 1850, and foreign trade in China only came through Shanghai (and Guangzhou if I'm not mistaken).
So Beijing and Tokyo are out. I'll agree with the rest mostly, but will add Vienna was decadent at the time, and was leader more in culture than hard goods, they established rules for high society.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:57 am to Marlo Stanfield
That’s actually true if you do some reading. The 5 families had to check in with him before they sent someone down here or made a big mo
That equals very important. Equal to Chicago or KC I’d guess, but more respected.
Did he have to “kick up” to anybody in NY? If I’m using my mob terms correctly from movies and TV?
That equals very important. Equal to Chicago or KC I’d guess, but more respected.
Did he have to “kick up” to anybody in NY? If I’m using my mob terms correctly from movies and TV?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:01 am to TigenPenn
Outside of the French Quarter and Jefferson Parish not that powerful. His big deal was the illegal casino he ran in Jefferson, LA just across the parish line from Orleans and a lot of motels with hookers on each side of the river in Jefferson Parish. Many small cities and towns had one brothel in each where locals and sheriffs turned a blind eye. They figured that it would keep the pressure off of single women to put out to their boyfriends and keep their virginity for marriage.
Back in the day, there were many backroom casinos in places like Lake Charles, Bossier and just outside of Ft Polk. All with local restaurant owners. They didn't begin to be shutdown until local sheriffs either lost or almost lost an election.
Back in the day, there were many backroom casinos in places like Lake Charles, Bossier and just outside of Ft Polk. All with local restaurant owners. They didn't begin to be shutdown until local sheriffs either lost or almost lost an election.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:03 am to LSU alum wannabe
He had a St. Paul’s classmate of mines dad whacked in Madisonville
Also a family aquaintance from Jesuit in the 60’s who was a pro boxer/fighter apparently was an enforcer type for him and now owns Marcellos old camp down south of Avondale
Also a family aquaintance from Jesuit in the 60’s who was a pro boxer/fighter apparently was an enforcer type for him and now owns Marcellos old camp down south of Avondale
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:16 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
They wouldn't let outsiders into their little cliques so of course no major corporations wanted to locate there. C Level executives aren't accustomed to being looked down on. Suddenly the world has passed them by and now even their own children and grandchildren are leaving for greener pastures--
You know what the funny thing these days is? The powers that be at upper crust krewes that have seen their ranks decline are super jealous of the growth of krewes like muses and iris and Thoth. They'll never admit outside of closed doors but they know that's the only way to survive long term.
But God forbid they open the door to people who's family they don't know to ensure survival. It's such a new Orleans mentality it's fricking comical.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:20 am to Marlo Stanfield
quote:
do some reading.
Which book do you recommend?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:26 am to TigenPenn
My dad was friends with his family back in the day. Not involved with their work but just a childhood friend with some kids of Carlos’ family and they were very close.
One time in college he and his soon to be wife decided to take a trip to New Orleans in an RV they rented. Parked it on Bourbon. The cops knocked on the door at 4am telling him to move it. Had a handwritten letter from Carlos about how he wants to make sure he has a good trip in New Orleans.
The cops immediately told him to have a good day and walked off.
One time in college he and his soon to be wife decided to take a trip to New Orleans in an RV they rented. Parked it on Bourbon. The cops knocked on the door at 4am telling him to move it. Had a handwritten letter from Carlos about how he wants to make sure he has a good trip in New Orleans.
The cops immediately told him to have a good day and walked off.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:28 am to Delacroix22
quote:
My dad was friends with his family back in the day
Your dad may legitimately know my dad. My dad was close friends with his son and would tell me how he used to go eat at their house for dinner all the time, and he never knew anything about what Carlos did for work until he and his friend were much older (like in high school)
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:31 am to TigenPenn
All I have to add is that I heard that Marcello called New Orleans from the middle of Guatemala and was pissed because he couldn't get anyone on the phone.
He then called a well-known restaurant here in Shreveport to speak with other connections. The young man who answered the phone was the son of the restaurant owner.
I understand that Marcello sent someone back to Guatemala with a suitcase of money to reward the farmer that took him to a phone.
He then called a well-known restaurant here in Shreveport to speak with other connections. The young man who answered the phone was the son of the restaurant owner.
I understand that Marcello sent someone back to Guatemala with a suitcase of money to reward the farmer that took him to a phone.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:41 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:
He had a St. Paul’s classmate of mines dad whacked in Madisonville
Whom and when?
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