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re: How much do liberals hate the 4th of July?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:53 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:53 pm to Collegedropout
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, so vote libertarian...
I'm not a libertarian in the purest form. They believe in open borders and almost no military. I'm really more of a Rand Paul type conservatarian
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:55 pm to jdeval1
Why do you believe in open borders?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Questioning the actions of our bloated and self-interested government over the course of the last half century doesn't equate to a lack of patriotism. Loving your country and wishing better from your federal government aren't mutually exclusive concepts. No one has cornered the market on being a true American. Blindly accepting everything the government does and shaming those who question it is about the most un-American thing you can do.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:57 pm to lsu2006
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Loving your country and wishing better from your federal government aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
Good thing I never said that, then
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Blindly accepting everything the government does and shaming those who question it is about the most in-American thing you can do.
Never did this, either.
We're cool. Have an upvote
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:02 pm to lsucoonass
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Why do you believe in open borders?
No
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:02 pm to jdeval1
half-true. before I went post-libertarian, I always favored closed borders.
Ron Paul favors closed borders.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe favors closed borders.
Lew Rockwell favors closed borders.
Murray Rothbard (R.I.P) favored closed borders.
you can favor either one and be libertarian.
libertarian means voluntary. it is not voluntary to allow people into your country when you don't have true private property rights on your private property. for that reason, there is nothing wrong with supporting closed borders as a libertarian.
Rand Paul probably favors closed borders too but for other reasons kind of fails at being a libertarian... might be the only way to get elected though.
Ron Paul favors closed borders.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe favors closed borders.
Lew Rockwell favors closed borders.
Murray Rothbard (R.I.P) favored closed borders.
you can favor either one and be libertarian.
libertarian means voluntary. it is not voluntary to allow people into your country when you don't have true private property rights on your private property. for that reason, there is nothing wrong with supporting closed borders as a libertarian.
Rand Paul probably favors closed borders too but for other reasons kind of fails at being a libertarian... might be the only way to get elected though.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:03 pm to lsucoonass
he doesnt....
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:03 pm to lsu2006
I love this country to the deepest parts of my soul, but I don't like the way it's being run. Does that make me less of a patriot?
Just a general question that goes along with what you posted. Not trying to debate anything you posted.
Just a general question that goes along with what you posted. Not trying to debate anything you posted.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Never did this, either.
I know. I was mostly making a general statement but also somewhat referencing your "apologizing" statement. I think Americans of every walk of life, and every political persuasion need to understand and recognize that the American government has commissioned some foolish if not egregious acts in recent history and isn't and never should be above reproach.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:11 pm to jdeval1
I misread it. I had to read again. My apologies
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:24 pm to Reservoir dawg
Who the frick hates the 4th of July? I went to a boat parade then left to go to a friends house where we hung out, drank, ate some BBQ and popped fireworks throwing black cats into a ditch with some water in it to watch them blow up in water and other silly shite we did when we were kids.. It's one day where you get to celebrate freedom and do silly shite.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:27 pm to lsu2006
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I was mostly making a general statement
Understood.
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the American government has commissioned some foolish if not egregious acts in recent history and isn't and never should be above reproach.
Granted. As has every other nation on the face of this earth.
Other sovereign nations' leaders don't go around apologizing for it, though, and neither should we. We're not perfect, but we're also not spineless. That was where I was coming from.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:27 pm to OweO
You should have just posted this and left it at that.
Because nobody gives a shite about all this:
quote:
Who the frick hates the 4th of July? It's one day where you get to celebrate freedom and do silly shite.
Because nobody gives a shite about all this:
quote:
I went to a boat parade then left to go to a friends house where we hung out, drank, ate some BBQ and popped fireworks throwing black cats into a ditch with some water in it to watch them blow up in water and other silly shite we did when we were kids
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:29 pm to boddagetta
The point is that that is the type of shite you do on the 4th, why would anyone not want to celebrate freedom?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
So what are things that, according to you, are acceptable for us to apologize for? And can you please point out specifically what things we have apologized for that we shouldn't have?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:31 pm to Pecker
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Well they hate America and American Exceptionalism so...
Exactly What is american exceptionalism?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:32 pm to boddagetta
quote:
I love this country to the deepest parts of my soul, but I don't like the way it's being run. Does that make me less of a patriot?
I think our president is an embarrassment, but this country is greater than one person. And the beauty of it is, we have the freedom to disagree with the way things are being run and still be a patriot.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 12:32 am to Honky Lips
quote:Nothing.
So what are things that, according to you, are acceptable for us to apologize for?
quote:Anything we have ever apologized for.
And can you please point out specifically what things we have apologized for that we shouldn't have?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:02 am to Reservoir dawg
Liberals hate everything that America stands for, so I would guess the 4th is an uncomfortable holiday for them to live through.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:03 am to kywildcatfanone
I don't think every liberal feels this way but the majority are misguided by the liberals that do believe.
What they think will improve this country and what I believe will are different things.
What they think will improve this country and what I believe will are different things.
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