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re: How many of you oppose the legalization of cannabis?

Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
I’m in the process of getting clean for a new job. It kinda sucks but it’s not a big deal.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138535 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:44 pm to
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Why would anyone want to legalize cannibals?
because they are fine, they are young, and they drive me crazy
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:40 pm to
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Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:43 pm to
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Get that logic out of here. This board is for stupid hot takes only. /s But seriously, this. I know a lot of high functioning successful people who also smoke pot every once in awhile.



I know a few- and no more than a small few. Even then, the key word (or phrase) is, "every once in awhile."

I know many- MANY- who smoked all day, every day from high school all the way up to modern day, and for all practical purposes, none of them are high functioning, super successful people. A few are nothing short of a failure, in regard to the abilities gifted to them.

The problem doesn't have so much to do with the substance they use- pot- but it has to do with A substance being used outside of moderation to alter their mind and body. If you were to exchange their pot use for alcohol, pills, meth, etc., then not only would the same results apply, but they'd also be dead because of it (and some of them are).

My sample size is not a small one either, and it is not isolated in its results, but at least many of those people who use pot in excess have not crossed the line into being menaces or even dangers to society like a constantly drunk person is, or a meth addict stealing all your chit at deer camp when nobody is around. Far from it actually: many of them, while not successful "go-getters" in any sense of the phrase, are contributing members of society, and that's all we can really ask of each other.

One thing that cannot be refuted is that pot, in no shape, form or fashion, induces a sense of "carpe diem" for any extended amount of time. Au contraire, it induces a sense of cheetos, laughter, 26 mph in a 45 mph zone, and ends with inescapable lethargy and sleep. That's not a bad thing- far better than alcohol or, dare I say, PCP- but it is if a person aspires to reach a goal of finding success that is above-average. I've had many-a-pothead try and make the case to me that they are injected with a sense of "git-er-dun" after toking a bowl. From putting on socks to studying, from hard labor to prolonged stretches of intense focus, they swear it's a wonder drug for them with the bonus benefit of helping them sleep after they pound out the day's to-do list only because they were high while checking off completed tasks.

That is annoying and it's a travesty of a lie because unfortunately, without fail, when it's time to "walk the walk," they're almost always snoring on the couch; happy and content to simply "make do."

And that is fine- that's their prerogative- but there's no need in pissing down a bystander's back and saying it's raining. The simple fact is that you can't use a substance that induces calm & sleepiness while also possessing prolonged energy and activity any more than a meth addict can have grinding jaws & sleep deprived hallucinations while also having a restful night's sleep. It actually undermines and discredits the pro-pot faction's legitimate claims of legalization, and instead puts the end result- the high- on the same level as the others: as being that of a lie and a farce. Just take it (pot) for what it is and for the beauty of what it can do, and no more, no less.

As is the case in all of life, a decision has to be made to see the consequences of it. We'll never defy the laws of logic: Smoke pot in excess, reap the repercussions; smoke it in moderation, reap the benefits. It makes no difference if we're talking about the repercussions of purchasing supercars in excess or eating chocolate cake in moderation or smoking crack only on the 4th of July because it's fun and induces a greater sense of "'Merica": deviation from moderation will have consequences, and diverging from that truth is simply a lie and an illusion, and I'll never be convinced otherwise. Why won't I? Because I'm not immune from the same tendencies and therefore the same fate: I've got the t-shirt, many of them, actually.

I say, "Let them have their pot." They are free men and free women- live and let live- but they must take seriously the weight of the responsibility placed onto their shoulders (and I've no doubt that'll eventually happen) because, with matters such as this, we walk a fine line: If they tread on the majority's rights so that they can to partake in a privilege, then they stand a real chance of losing them with the swiftness. Guaranteed.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:14 pm to
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Yes, but you just used heroine to have your “informed opinion” about cannabis.
Just a PSA for the thread because I've seen it repeatedly:

Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
13047 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:20 pm to
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I'll bet shes traumatized.

That's not the point, jackass. It's a public place. Both people have a right to be there, but just like with cigarettes, it should be a smoke-free environment.

quote:

Im a live and let live kind of guy. I understand living around people means I have to see and experience things I am not wild about. But freedom is far more important.

I'm not. There have to be some rules and regulations. Having rules and regulations does not mean you aren't free.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:24 pm to
The older I get, the more the sports toll has taken on my body. I wish it were legal cause I’d at least try some to help my joints. no pun
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7401 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:31 pm to
The problem with legalized cannabis is not a general problem, but a problem of the addictive brain.

The vast, vast majority of people aren't going to have their brain mechanisms triggered by cannabis, even those who have addictive personalities-- but for those who do, it becomes central to their lives and impairs their abilities to function-- even at levels that people who self medicate with beer and other forms of alcohol would pale in comparison to, and we have all kinds of problems with alcoholism as a behavior.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
6133 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:57 pm to
Damn dude that is a novel Anyways, couldn't agree more on your moderation point. Pot is like a lot things in life and should be used sparingly not habitually.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:53 pm to
I am a conservative on most issues. I always vote Republican. And I also smoke great bud and am 100 percent on favor of legalizing it and sports gambling. LA needeth get to the 21st century.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108047 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:57 pm to
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The vast, vast majority of people aren't going to have their brain mechanisms triggered by cannabis, even those who have addictive personalities-- but for those who do, it becomes central to their lives and impairs their abilities to function-- even at levels that people who self medicate with beer and other forms of alcohol would pale in comparison to, and we have all kinds of problems with alcoholism as a behavior.


Cannabis withdrawal has little to no physical symptoms outside of mild insomnia and anxiety. Also, it’s one of the easiest substances to quit when it comes to a psychological perspective.

The fact that it’s even Schedule I is criminal in itself. It’s less addictive and destructive compared to alcohol by a long, long shot.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 4:57 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53541 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:57 pm to
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I am a conservative on most issues. I always vote Republican.

I skew pretty libertarian but I'm certainly not a progressive by any means. I voted for Trump. It's ridiculous that this plant is still illegal.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21363 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:01 pm to
Just think what Paul McCartney and Willie Nelson could have accomplished if they didn’t smoke weed every day. Damned shame.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:08 pm to
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The problem is, IT DOESN'T STAY IN THE HOME! 

My sister was just in California and had some dip shite blow smoke right in her face in a hotel



I'll bet shes traumatized. 

Im a live and let live kind of guy. I understand living around people means I have to see and experience things I am not wild about. But freedom is far more important.


Ahhh bullchit.

Who's living and letting live in this scenario? Furthermore, taking his claim at face value (because that's all we can do), who's the azzhole? Nobody has a right to be one of those.

Also, who's treading on the other?

One is, presumably, a soberly-functioning human being who was born that way, and therefore has been gifted inalienable God-given universal rights, like a desire to live, and therefore she is reasonable to expect respect for her health in order to ensure it.

Is it not reasonable to expect that she has no desire to inhale smoke of any kind into her lungs while in an open, public space (assuming she is)? The argument for pot being safe and her being a drama queen is null and void because no smoke of any kind was meant to be inhaled into our lungs to ensure good health and a long life, or else it'd be there.

That said, the other is partaking in a privilege granted to him (or I'll assume it's a him for tldr's sake), and while he certainly has an inalienable right to his pursuit of happiness (and boy is he), that doesn't mean the privileges that he partakes in to get that happiness- smoking pot- is a right in and of itself. He was not born with THC firing across his brain cells and with pot smoke in his lungs, was he?

The moment his privilege infringes on another's inalienable rights, is the moment his privileges can pound sand. Their is a hierarchy in this case, and we're all wired basically the same way so as to recognize the difference. It's one of those "It goes without saying." kinda things.

Seems to me that you ought to answer those questions truthfully to conclude who's practicing what they preach by keeping to themselves.

It's a matter of rights vs. privileges, and with privileges come responsibilities that must be applied fairly across the spectrum. Is it generally acceptable or lawful for a person using alcohol to intrude on another's personal space who's not? Can I consume alcohol and spill it on you without repercussions? Is it reasonable or lawful for alcohol users to roam the streets and public places willy nilly and without regard (or in this case, open defiance) to sober society and what they want?

No, it is not, and the same logic must apply here.

It's a matter of who's in an altered, unnatural state and who's in a state of being that they have no control over when deciding who's in the wrong in this case. Who, among the two, can help whether or not they're infringing on the other's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Who is doing which? You be honest; because anything other than the truth is a transparent lie seen by every normal functioning adult who reads it because we all know the truth- it's written within us.

A person who is crippled in a wreck by an impaired driver has a reasonable expectation to the same rights to move freely as I have because there's nothing he can do about it otherwise. However, those equal rights shall only apply to the state of being that he is in- no more and no less: He has a right to expect mobility where those who are not crippled have the same, like say, a wheelchair ramp leading into a restroom so that he can take a naturally occurring chit, but if he were demanding a ramp so that he could access the facilities to shoot up heroine, then he'd be requesting a privilege.

He most certainly has no right to expect me- to compel me by law- to carry him there and wipe his arse or to breathe his pot smoke- certainly not without due compensation. If I was legally responsible to transport him wherever he wishes to go, then I cannot go where I wish. That is when a right becomes a privilege and that privilege infringes on my own rights, does it not?

Assumptions galore, taken at face value and regarding "live and let live," one is not like the other, and you and I damned well know it.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21363 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:12 pm to
Dude, admit it. You are high right now aren’t you?
Posted by DuckShooter
Bayou Country
Member since May 2019
102 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:14 pm to
I’m opposed because potheads are stupid.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38055 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:15 pm to
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Government has no business telling a person what they can or can't do in their own home if it isn't theft or violence.



What if it’s sex with a kid? Kid doesn’t refuse and it isn’t violence. You good with that?

What about terrorists planning an attack? Should the govt be able to intervene?

Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:19 pm to
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Basically, I’m wondering what teenagers will be paranoid about if they don’t have to be paranoid about GETTING BUSTED!


The same things which get me paranoid: spiders.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:31 pm to
No. Stoners and/or people who are stoned will not dare to go past the 280 characters mandated within Twitter's user interface.

I'll refer you to part 2, section 308, clause III B of my first post.

From there you'll see my opinion that someone high is incapable of 30+ second intervals of focused thought to make a point.

Bullchit is bullchit, and I'm gonna call it out when I see it.

Srry bt nt srry, k, thx.
Posted by DuckShooter
Bayou Country
Member since May 2019
102 posts
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:34 pm to
I’m not opposed because the stupidity of potheads will shine through.

You potheads are most likely the most stupid morons ever seen.
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