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re: How many of y'all were personally affected by the 2007-08 financial crisis?

Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:55 am to
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6054 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:55 am to
My retirement plummeted. Bigger issue is the amount of tax dollars that was filtered around by elites.

Clinton and the congress created this issue that cam to fruition in 2008. They changed the lending laws in the name of "fairness and equality".

In a nutshell they forced lenders to lend to people regardless of what we used to call criteria. It was racist now to deny a loan because someone had no credit or anything to borrow against.

All this did was increase the amount of interest they could slap on the loan knowing that the vast majority of loans would default, but hey - fairness.

This was the small potatoes though. What was good for the goose was good for the gander. Now people with excellent credit could also borrow far more than they could pay off or met the criteria for. About 25% of these loads would default.

As the markets packaged these loans into bundles for bond funds, income funds and minor growth mutual funs, eventually it was realizes that this was all bogus - but like any good ponzi scheme you just have to out the door before it runs out. Barney Frank made a killing and walked away with Fannie mae and Freddie mac holding the bag - in essence the tax payer as these are government entities (they like to call them public but all their funding comes from the government).

This is just more failure that the tax payer will be bled for over decades.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22114 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:15 am to
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Can someone explain to me how this negatively affected middle class, blue collar people and not just the white collar fat cats? It just didn't seem like that big of a deal to me at the time. Maybe I was just too far removed from it.


The 08 financial crisis was transparent to a lot of people who were not involved in buying a home, your emp[loyer failing, or your financial institution going under. So if you missed those issues, and most did, it was a lot of noise.

However, It was very serious. The US banking system came close to large scale failure due to the policies of the US govt on home loan borrowing initiated under Clinton and furthered by W. The major impact to the middle class was loss of investment value especially in mutual funds and retirement accounts. So I would add upcoming retirees to my list above. The majority of the effects were gone in 3-5 yrs.

The biggest misconception in this crisis comes from many of my conservative compatriots who loathe the govt "bailouts" like the govt gave the major banks money to cover their financial misconduct. First the govt only issued Toxc Asset Recovery Progam, TARP, loans to institutions that were viable to survive the issue. All TARP loans were repaid in the next 3yrs or so. No money was given to anyone. The main point here that was regurgitated over and over was "let them fail" but these idiots do not know what the domino effect is and how it would have taken out the US Banking system and hence the Global banking system. Potential 1929 era depression.

Lastly the whole problem was started by the US Govt policy on lowering home loan down payment requirements to improve minority and low income home ownership. Then the low grade mortgages were weaved into investments by quasi NGO FannieMae and FreddieMac in mortgage backed securites that made it impossible to quarantene the massive number of failing mortgages that were sinking the US and world banks.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3763 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:35 am to
Bought a foreclosure for 15% under market value at the beginning of 2008. Area didn't recover enough for me to even get what I paid for the house until 2016. I almost literally tried to give it away in 2013 - assumable FHA mortgage, selling for 10% less than I paid....
Ended up having to rent it out for 3 years and finally sell it for 165K in 2017. Of course, it just sold again last month for 289K.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1661 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:40 am to
I graduated in 2008 and was lucky that I already had a job lined up by the end of 2007, or I wouldn’t have found one. The consulting firm that I worked at didn’t hire anyone the following year, and the year after that, we hired 2 people. I couldn’t believe how overqualified many applicants were, and they still didn’t get the job. On the one hand, I felt thankful to have a job. On the other hand, I hated my job, and it was impossible to find something else even though I was willing to take less money. I spent nearly 3 years in a job I hated before I could find a good fit elsewhere. The job market was so much worse than it is today.
Posted by Butch Baum
Member since Oct 2007
3504 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:02 pm to
…Now ask people about ‘73 to ‘75… was a kid but that was tougher
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17646 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:32 pm to
Honestly. I didn't feel it much. We had just bought a house in 2005 with no intention of selling it anytime soon, we just kept working and putting into our 401k's. Sold the house a few years later for 33% more than we paid for it.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72868 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:47 pm to
I got evicted from two different houses in athens because the two-bit landlords stopped paying the mortgage, couldnt refi or sell because they were underwater.

I also did a good bit of construction work around atl at the time, we were turning down projects left and right. 70% of it dried up seemingly overnight.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
22878 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:49 pm to

I lost 1/3 value of a house I just had built.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3819 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:58 pm to
Congrats to the two above posters explaining the specifics of the loans stuff.. I recall govt saying everyone should be able to own the American dream of a house and put in those new rules..

I was lucky as op said and it did not impact me ( was still in the dollar cost avg in purchase mode for 401 and years from retirement)… and I did not have extra cash around to invest in a cabin in the mountains :(

I do recall that I was traveling in Europe a lot for business then and they were just hammering the us on the stuff op explained… I sorta recall it spread from the us and hit Europe also??
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22114 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:08 pm to
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I sorta recall it spread from the us and hit Europe also??


Yes, most of the major European commercial banks were substantially invested in mortgage backed securities and hence significantly exposed.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31295 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:50 pm to
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Can someone explain to me how this negatively affected middle class, blue collar people and not just the white collar fat cats

I graduated in 07. I got laid off in 09. The company did 70% less revenue year over year as all the construction dried up once Katrina money was spent and the recession took hold in SELA. The next three years saw me bounce around and work for two companies that went belly up before I got on with a stable company. That incident took years to recover from and still affects me today.

My FiL lost his business and most of his money during the recession.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:59 pm to
It took me two years to sell a house, so I was paying mortgage and rent for 2 years. Ended up selling it for less than we paid for it. This set us back YEARS.

That's just one example.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28022 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 4:12 pm to
The housing crisis last longer than 2008. It went into 2013 at least before builders started building houses with confidence they could sell them. It took that long to clear all the foreclosures.

I bought my house in 2009. I actually traded houses with the bank the repo'd the house I bought from the builder that went under. My current house was worth a lot more so I had to pay the difference.

In 2010, I talked to a builder that owned the empty lot next to me about buying it from him. He asked an outrageous amount for the lot, basically more than what it would have cost before the housing crisis. I laughed at him and and told him I'd buy it from the bank in a couple of years. I bought it for less than half what he was asking. Sold it in 2017 for a 58% profit.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
12388 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 5:16 pm to
Bought a house for 203k and it dropped to 168k in value. Too years renting ( couldn’t sale) to make anything off it.
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