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re: How jacked up was the Brown v Board decision on desegregation?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:53 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:53 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:why would I do that?
Please next start a thread on how Jim Crowe laws were not detrimental or racist to blacks.
What are you trying to project here?
Do you not agree with me that the actual reasoning in the decision makes it sound racist af?
The law was solid and it was the right decision completely, but their reasoning they cited was fricked
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:57 am to SuperSaint
Everyone should listen to Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History podcast on this very subject.
Black kids in black schools were doing just fine before Brown. No one cared more about the betterment of black kids more than black teachers.
When black kids were moved into classrooms with white teachers, those kids became discriminated against. Summary of the podcast. Worth a listen.
Black kids in black schools were doing just fine before Brown. No one cared more about the betterment of black kids more than black teachers.
When black kids were moved into classrooms with white teachers, those kids became discriminated against. Summary of the podcast. Worth a listen.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:57 am to SuperSaint
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to go even further with the decision, if you read it, it doesn't mention teachers at all, which is fricked up.
That wasn't what the court was deciding.
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Does segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race, even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors may be equal, deprive the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities? We believe that it does.
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Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law, for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. A sense of inferiority affects the motivation of a child to learn. Segregation with the sanction of law, therefore, has a tendency to [retard] the educational and mental development of negro children and to deprive them of some of the benefits they would receive in a racial[ly] integrated school system.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:00 am to G Vice
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Everyone should listen to Malcolm Gladwell's Revisionist History podcast on this very subject.
Black kids in black schools were doing just fine before Brown. No one cared more about the betterment of black kids more than black teachers.
When black kids were moved into classrooms with white teachers, those kids became discriminated against. Summary of the podcast. Worth a listen.
Yeah, then once sent into the workforce, they are expected to work and interact with white men (and women) like the past 18 years was no big deal.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:01 am to SuperSaint
Remember the time of the case. Not even ten years after WWII. Remember Japs, Nazis, racial experiments, concentration camps, eugenics gone made, all that jazz?
Segregation was going to end after we saw the horrors of those regimes.
Segregation was going to end after we saw the horrors of those regimes.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:10 am to SuperSaint
Brown wasn't the only case involved and the psychological factor was based on the Briggs v. Elliott case, which had been incorporated with the Brown case.
The Court's reasoning was solid. The fact that the state made a distinction between races necessarily implies one is inferior and the other is superior, otherwise there would be no reason for doing it. On that ground alone, segregation violated the Equal Protection Clause. Plus, in practice, the two school systems were never funded or staffed equally.
This is really a low quality troll.
The Court's reasoning was solid. The fact that the state made a distinction between races necessarily implies one is inferior and the other is superior, otherwise there would be no reason for doing it. On that ground alone, segregation violated the Equal Protection Clause. Plus, in practice, the two school systems were never funded or staffed equally.
This is really a low quality troll.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:39 am to HarryBalzack
Everything about supersaint is low quality
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:40 am to SuperSaint
I don't know. The reasoning was that black students inherently got a worse education. During those times I suspect that is correct as a whole. I agree with the lawsuit as a matter of principle.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:48 am to cubsfan5150
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Everything about supersaint is low quality
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:49 am to GurleyGirl
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The black teachers at our school were poorly educated and spoke ebonics.
My only black teacher at my school was a stunning intelligent woman who just so happened to drive a corvette. One of fave teachers.
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/30/17 at 12:28 pm to udtiger
If a student cannot attend a particular school simply and only because of his/her skin color, that is wrong. Period. End of story.
As such... the legal mechanisms that occured that got to said result don't much matter to me. And I'm not sure they should matter to anyone else either.
What is the point of this thread?
As such... the legal mechanisms that occured that got to said result don't much matter to me. And I'm not sure they should matter to anyone else either.
What is the point of this thread?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 12:30 pm to G Vice
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Black kids in black schools were doing just fine before Brown. No one cared more about the betterment of black kids more than black teachers.
When black kids were moved into classrooms with white teachers, those kids became discriminated against.
That's because you still had racist white teachers. A court decision isn't going to change that. However there wasn't enough done to remove said teachers from the classroom.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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The reasoning was that black students inherently got a worse education.
The schools I went to were segregated until I was a HS junior when 2 black students registered there. They made it through 2 report cards then they transferred back where they came from. They couldn't keep up academically. They weren't stupid, we were just way ahead of them.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 1:07 pm to SuperSaint
Been listening to Malcolm Gladwell, have you?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 1:08 pm to FCP
Yes
Posted on 7/30/17 at 1:09 pm to SuperSaint
But muh racism
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:02 pm to bmy
In which the OT downplays the racism of 60 years ago against blacks and brings back support for segregation. This place really can be incredibly backwards. This sort of thing is what makes the south look bad.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If a student cannot attend a particular school simply and only because of his/her skin color, that is wrong. Period. End of story.
This.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:11 pm to SuperSaint
Deseg did more in bringing whites down than blacks, up.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:25 pm to SuperSaint
I see you've been listening to Gladwells podcast.
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