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How humans will outlive Earth, Sun, and maybe Universe

Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by Jon Ham
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Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:18 am
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There’s nothing we can do to prevent this cataclysm. Yet according to scientists who study the far future, including University of California astronomer Gregory Laughlin, the prospect for life is, oddly, rather bright. Given technological advances and the continuing evolution of our species, humans should be able to survive — in some form — long after Earth has ceased to exist.

But our distant descendants are going to have to do some planet-hopping.

THE MULTIPLANET ERA

The first major cosmic crisis will strike in about 1.5 billion years. At that point, according to projections by environmental scientist Andrew J. Rushby at the University of East Anglia in England, the brightening sun will set off what might be termed “super-global” warming. Earth will be heated until the oceans boil.

By then, though, will we care? We already have the technology to establish bases on the moon and Mars. So a billion and a half years from now, we’ll likely have colonized the whole solar system — and perhaps other star systems in our Milky Way galaxy.

As the sun grows hotter, other planets will become more appealing. Just as Earth becomes too toasty to sustain life, Mars will reach a temperature that makes it habitable. Cornell University astronomer Lisa Kaltenegger has run models showing that the Red Planet could then stay pleasant for another 5 billion years.

About 7.5 billion years from now, the sun will exhaust its hydrogen fuel and switch to helium. That will cause it to balloon into an enormous red giant. Mars as well as Earth will be fried. On the other hand, the once icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn will have become tropical water worlds — prime real estate for human colonies. We could live there for a few hundred million years.

About 8 billion years from now, the flaring sun will make conditions intolerably hot all the way out past Pluto. “The exact dates depend on how much mass you estimate the sun will lose and how much planets will move,” Kaltenegger says. But the message is clear: Life will be impossible in our solar system.

THE STAR-HOPPING ERA

Fortunately, Laughlin points out, there are 200 billion other stars in the Milky Way, most with planets of their own. Perhaps our descendants will have mastered near-light-speed travel. Even with current technology, however, interstellar travel is conceivable on the kind of timescales we’re talking about.

The fastest spacecraft built to date, Voyager 1, is racing away from the sun at 38,027 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take 70,000 years to reach the nearest star. But future humans might build interstellar arks, giant ships on which generations of travelers would live and die before delivering colonists to a new destination. Such star-hopping colonists could spread across our entire galaxy before Earth overheats, even assuming no advances in rocketry.

At first, those voyagers might choose to set sail for planets around midsize, yellow stars similar to our own. That will take care of us for quite a while, since sunlike stars last 12 billion years before they fizzle. As one star ages and dies, we can move on to the next. We’ve got time.

Fifty billion to 100 billion years from now, though, all of the raw material for new stars will be used up. The last generation of sunlike stars will burn out, and humans will need a new kind of place to live.

It turns out that we have better options than yellow stars like our sun. The Milky Way is dotted with red dwarfs, cooler and dimmer than our sun but built to last. “For the next 10 trillion years, the red dwarfs are just coming into their own,” Laughlin says.

And so planets around red dwarf stars may be our homes until about 15 trillion years from now, when they too will expire.

THE GRAVITATIONAL ERA

Red dwarfs will be the last generation of stars. Once they die, the universe will go dark — literally. Even so, Laughlin doesn’t see this as the end of the line for life. Instead, we will enter what he calls “the gravitational era.”

In this dark future, we might build enormous space power plants around black holes, lowering masses toward them to harvest their gravitational pull “like the weights pulling down in a grandfather’s clock,” says Princeton physicist J. Richard Gott. Or we might tap the internal heat of planets to generate energy: The gravitational interaction between celestial bodies creates friction, which can keep planets hot inside even without any starshine.

Don’t picture cave dwellers huddling around geothermal heaters. Trillions of years of evolution will have long since transformed us, Laughlin says. Perhaps we will have merged with our computers. Perhaps we won’t even have a physical form. The only thing our descendants will definitely have in common with us is the essential spark of life: not flesh and blood necessarily but information.

“That’s the most important lesson from thinking about the far future universe,” Laughlin says. “We’re being naïve when we think of life only in terms of Earthlike planets and carbon-based life.”

Information-based life can keep going almost forever. The gravitational era that begins around 15 trillion years from now could continue for quintillion years and beyond, Laughlin estimates. A quintillion is a 1 followed by 18 zeroes. It is trillion times as long as the entire history of our hominid line on Earth.

WILL THE UNIVERSE DIE BEFORE WE DO?

Still, even this near-eternity is not the same as eternity. At some point, life runs into the physical limits of matter itself.

Physics theories suggest that sometime between 10^34 (1 decillion) and 10^64 (1 vigintillion) years from now, the protons found in the nuclei of all atoms will decay. That means black holes will be the only organized form of matter in the universe. Future humanity can’t have any physical form at this point.

At 10^100 years — 10 duotrigintillion years A.D. — even black holes will evaporate. There will be no energy or structures of any kind — just a cold, eternal mist of farflung particles. This really is the end point for life.

Or maybe not. Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University, one of the founders of modern cosmological theory, is exploring a model in which the universe goes through endless cycles of creation. His latest version, developed with Anna Ijjas of Columbia University, suggests that the universe could experience a new Big Bang well before the final black hole apocalypse.


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/how-humans-might-outlive-earth-sun-even-universe-ncna831291
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:20 am to
I can't think of a more sucky job than predicting the end of the world.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56775 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:21 am to
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I can't think of a more sucky job than predicting the end of the world.



Sucking dick for cheeseburgers?
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18563 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:22 am to
what... kind... of cheeseburgers...?
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5668 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:22 am to
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I can't think of a more sucky job than predicting the end of the world.


I can think of a lot.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:22 am to
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Sucking dick for cheeseburgers?
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7196 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:24 am to
Whataburger or McDonalds ?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56775 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:24 am to
A man's gotta eat, Julian.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
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76784 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:24 am to
definitely TL : DR
This post was edited on 12/20/17 at 11:25 am
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15620 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:25 am to
Have you seen that video of the woman trying to order french fries from Taco Bell?

I have a feeling we'll be long gone before the Earth, Sun, and Universe are.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:26 am to
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I can think of a lot


If the scientist is right on his predicting, what gratification is that?

In a billion years what is written now won't exist, so it won't help any.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70474 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:27 am to
All we need is a thing to put our babies on like superman did.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:32 am to
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I have a feeling we'll be long gone before the Earth, Sun, and Universe are.


+1

Humans will be extinct in less than 100,000 years, and likely long before that.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:34 am to
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The first major cosmic crisis will strike in about 1.5 billion years

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Earth will be heated until the oceans boil.


Just called my travel agent and cancelled my beach vacation for that year!

Seriously....This "researcher" is being paid to allegedly predict things that will happen more than 1 billion years from now? And yet we can't get an accurate prediction on weather 3 days in advance? Whatever that guy makes is a waste of money!
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:35 am to
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Anna Iljas



Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:40 am to
Neat and all, but long before then, Yellowstone will erupt, a large comet or asteroid will hit earth, runaway greenhouse effect from carbon dioxide same as happened on Venus, etc will wipe out humanity same as impacts and supervolcanoes have wiped out thousands or millions of species in earths past.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:42 am to
We will last another 100 years max.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29735 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:42 am to
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Seriously....This "researcher" is being paid to allegedly predict things that will happen more than 1 billion years from now? And yet we can't get an accurate prediction on weather 3 days in advance? Whatever that guy makes is a waste of money!


Continuing the human species is essentially the most important task we have. We need to be preparing for the inevitable.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
24261 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:44 am to
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1.5 Billion years



And to think the USA is less than 300 years old, Christianity about 2000 years old. Recorded history is only around 20k years old. I cannot imagine what will occur in the next 1.5 billion years. But it would be so cool just to observe and see.
This post was edited on 12/20/17 at 11:44 am
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:44 am to
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according to scientists who study the far future, including University of California astronomer Gregory Laughlin, the prospect for life is, oddly, rather bright. Given technological advances and the continuing evolution of our species, humans should be able to survive — in some form — long after Earth has ceased to exist.


It's not looking good.
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