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re: How do you know when your kid has "it" in sports?
Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:31 pm to Chicken
Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:31 pm to Chicken
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puberty is the biggest game changer...if the kid is still elite after puberty/growth spurt, then there is a chance.
My niece was getting some looks from Arizona and the likes for softball in 8th-9th grade. But she never got much bigger or better and ended up at a smaller state school. It’s really next to impossible to predict those things will play out early on.
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Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:32 pm to NorthEnd
When they break the bottom brick
Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:36 pm to Seen
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I see lots of posts about genetics and I don’t disagree but my son is a junior in HS and is being told he’ll have a chance to play in college, he’s a DE. I played sports but never anywhere close to college material and wife outside of doing gymnastics when young is far from athletic.
My dad didn't take sports seriously back in the 70's, although he played football and wrestled, however he was built well at 6'3 210lbs and could run like Forrest Gump so he went on to become an Army Ranger. My mother was the same way, ran track in HS and was 5'10 and built physically like an athlete. Neither were professional athlete quality because it was a different era with different aspirations, but their sons ended up being 6'6 and 6'5, and pretty good athletes all around.
Sounds like you and your wife produced a good football player.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:38 pm to NorthEnd
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How do you know when your kid has "it" in sports?
When the time comes that you stop telling others how good he/she is and others start telling you how good your kid is.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 1:45 pm to NorthEnd
I don't truly think you know until they are about 14-15.
Some kids just peak extremely early, but then everyone else catches up and they are no longer really elite.
But then again, if the kid is 12 years old and they are already 6'3. If the kid has an ounce of athleticism and a desire to play, you can likely bank on them playing college basketball at the least
Some kids just peak extremely early, but then everyone else catches up and they are no longer really elite.
But then again, if the kid is 12 years old and they are already 6'3. If the kid has an ounce of athleticism and a desire to play, you can likely bank on them playing college basketball at the least
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:02 pm to NorthEnd
You know it when you see them on a pro roster...see below..
I was talking with a couple guys recently that played college baseball and one who played AAA. We were reminiscing about guys who had 90+mph stuff at 15-16, but he didn't have a second pitch; or he could hit 450 ft, but only if it was a fastball; or they had it all, e.g., 2-3 pitches, could hit everything, but they could only get a 14 on the ACT.
It takes a truly special person to make it pro.
The AAA guy said the MLB curveball is why we never saw him on TV. LOL
I was talking with a couple guys recently that played college baseball and one who played AAA. We were reminiscing about guys who had 90+mph stuff at 15-16, but he didn't have a second pitch; or he could hit 450 ft, but only if it was a fastball; or they had it all, e.g., 2-3 pitches, could hit everything, but they could only get a 14 on the ACT.
It takes a truly special person to make it pro.
The AAA guy said the MLB curveball is why we never saw him on TV. LOL
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:13 pm to NorthEnd
I played D1 college baseball and this is an interesting post when I think about how it happened for me. I was actually more into basketball from about age 5-15 and although I played baseball, I wouldn't say I was very good at it so figuring out I had the "it factor" in baseball would not have been the case. My dad coached college baseball and then was a scout for the Reds and when I told him I wanted to just concentrate on baseball because I wanted to play in college, he told me that would never happen. For me, here were the keys:
1. The goal to play in college was my goal, not my parents
2. I hit relentlessly and pretty much everyday. If you can hit, you will play.
3. I worked on my speed and got my 60 time down.
4. My dad worked a lot with me on defense and my hitting form.
5. The biggest key was something my dad did when I was younger - he held me back so I basically started school late and had an April birthday. I was 19 when I graduated.
1. The goal to play in college was my goal, not my parents
2. I hit relentlessly and pretty much everyday. If you can hit, you will play.
3. I worked on my speed and got my 60 time down.
4. My dad worked a lot with me on defense and my hitting form.
5. The biggest key was something my dad did when I was younger - he held me back so I basically started school late and had an April birthday. I was 19 when I graduated.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:23 pm to hayden7cub
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I played D1 college baseball and this is an interesting post when I think about how it happened for me. I was actually more into basketball from about age 5-15 and although I played baseball, I wouldn't say I was very good at it so figuring out I had the "it factor" in baseball would not have been the case. My dad coached college baseball and then was a scout for the Reds and when I told him I wanted to just concentrate on baseball because I wanted to play in college, he told me that would never happen. For me, here were the keys:
1. The goal to play in college was my goal, not my parents
2. I hit relentlessly and pretty much everyday. If you can hit, you will play.
3. I worked on my speed and got my 60 time down.
4. My dad worked a lot with me on defense and my hitting form.
5. The biggest key was something my dad did when I was younger - he held me back so I basically started school late and had an April birthday. I was 19 when I graduated
This, all of this.
Dr josh heenan posted this a while back and is 100% accurate. The kid has to be committed, needs to be committed in the weightroom, in the kitchen and in getting enough sleep. Also has to be committed to the classroom. Difference in the number of schools that can recruit you if you have a 4.0 vs a 2.5 is dramatic.
Only thing I would add to the image below is 2 dedicated speed training sessions a week minimum in the off season. Atleast 1 in season.
Also the individual skill training is outside of practice time.
off season doesnt mean you stop everything, it means off season from competitive game sports. and it can and should be up to 12 weeks if younger.
also if you are small and weak....you dont need to play fall ball, you need to be lifting.
if you do not have a skill that is showcase worthy, you also dont need to be at a showcase, you need to be in the weightroom.
football is the same thing.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:28 pm to NorthEnd
High School is where you will start to see how far they can go. For most, high school is it. The best H S players can move on to some level of college sports. If you know coaches in H S are game planning around your kid, they are probably going to play some level of college. If your kid is a freshman playing varsity and he is the best player, they have a chance at professional sports.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:28 pm to Seen
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Baseball you know pretty young, probably by 9 or 10
no it isnt. You can tell if they have good movement but you can not tell if they are willing to put the work in the weightroom, eat correctly to put on weight, sleep correctly, extra work outside of practice etc.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:30 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Remember the "white Reggie Bush" kid
This is exactly who I thought of while reading this thread. He took Youtube by storm in like 2008. Everyone just knew he had "it".
Cody Paul
He did eventually go on to play college football at a D2 school. The poor guy damn near never grew an inch since he was 10. In reality, he didn't really have "it" anymore than I did.
College stats
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:36 pm to QJenk
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He did eventually go on to play college football at a D2 school. The poor guy damn near never grew an inch since he was 10. In reality, he didn't really have "it" anymore than I did.
exactly, i was 5'8 going to 7th grade, im barely 5'9 now.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:49 pm to NorthEnd
They love the sport and work to get better every day.
That's why it's important not to be a jerk coach or meathead parent when the prodigy is a youth. Let them love the sport and grow into it.
That's why it's important not to be a jerk coach or meathead parent when the prodigy is a youth. Let them love the sport and grow into it.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:53 pm to lsu777
"no it isnt. You can tell if they have good movement but you can not tell if they are willing to put the work in the weightroom, eat correctly to put on weight, sleep correctly, extra work outside of practice etc."
I worded that wrong. It's hard to start baseball later in life, say 12 and be very good, I understand it can happen, just not typical. Kids can grow up not playing football and start at 15 and be good enough to play college was my point.
I agree you can perhaps not be that great but still playing at 9 or 10 and develop later on and go play college or just be really good in HS. Baseball is just typically a sport you need to start young, for the most part imo.
I worded that wrong. It's hard to start baseball later in life, say 12 and be very good, I understand it can happen, just not typical. Kids can grow up not playing football and start at 15 and be good enough to play college was my point.
I agree you can perhaps not be that great but still playing at 9 or 10 and develop later on and go play college or just be really good in HS. Baseball is just typically a sport you need to start young, for the most part imo.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:55 pm to TROLA
My 2 and a half year old can throw shite across the room. I already know
Posted on 8/15/22 at 2:58 pm to NorthEnd
When they’re 14 or 15 and dominating 18 year olds. So from jr high to sophomore year of hs.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 3:00 pm to Seen
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I worded that wrong. It's hard to start baseball later in life, say 12 and be very good, I understand it can happen, just not typical. Kids can grow up not playing football and start at 15 and be good enough to play college was my point.
I agree you can perhaps not be that great but still playing at 9 or 10 and develop later on and go play college or just be really good in HS. Baseball is just typically a sport you need to start young, for the most part imo.
ok yea agree 100%
the problem in baseball is its a very skill driven sport. And because of that
1) not everyone is willing to put in the skill work needed outside of practice to get better
or
2) people think because it is so skill driven strength and size isnt needed and they dont dedicate to the GPP side of things and dedicate themselves to the weightroom, the kitchen and recovery.
and honestly its so disappointing to see it when the kid really does want to play college but they have clueless parents.
Dr Heenan, Driveline, Cressey, Bill Miller, Zach Dechant, Gerry Deflippo all put so much free content out that you dont have to spend a dime to have world class training.
all you have to do is go look on Dr Heenans instagram, Bill Millers insta, Drivelines site and you have the info to become everything you want to be if you just put forth the effort.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 3:00 pm to BigEdLSU
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I know a kid who at birth has enough strength and control to hold their head up and look around like it was normal. You don't train that, you thank God for it.
Yeah sure you do
Posted on 8/15/22 at 3:04 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Some kids appear to have "it" before puberty and fizzle out once puberty arrives and some kids don't get "it" until puberty arrives. 12-13 years old is the turning point.
That was me... I was a pretty decent ball player as a kid. Made all stars every year of rec ball from 9-12 and started.
Went on to play 13&14's all the kids grew except for me, fricking late bloomer...
Couldn't handle the change to the bigger fireld.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/15/22 at 3:07 pm to lsu777
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the problem in baseball is its a very skill driven sport.
Maybe baseball isn’t that hard, but only non-athletic kids play it so it seems super difficult. I can’t get over the cleats baseball players wear…wtf can you do with those clod hoppers on? Seriously, two sizes too big and flat as hell.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 3:08 pm
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