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re: How do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years

Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:38 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36496 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:38 am to
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Children dying in your worldview is just a meat bag going offline. Decomposing into the earth which will eventually be destroyed when the sun explodes as the universe dies a slow death a trillion years from now. Nothing, and nobody will be here and everything you worried about will be quite literally for nothing.


Hey you’re getting it

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Therefore, from your point of view, there is literally and objectively nothing wrong with a child dying from cancer.


Well, death is natural and there is nothing wrong with it. It comes for us all. It absolutely is tragic and depressing as hell when a child dies and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

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All arguments you have for pointing out "the problem of evil" are comical because you have no standard to point to as to what evil is.


I have your standard to go off of.

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Don't straw man this as saying "You don't have morality." I am sure you have a moral compass, all humans do. We are born with it.


Absolutely. All religion does is try to teach people to live a moral life and be good to others. That is a good message. Saying there is some omnipresent being that controls everything is just silly.

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Your problem is in your point of view in 1 trillion years everything you believe will literally amount to NOTHING which means it's irrational for you to have a problem with children dying of cancer. It's just a meat bag meeting their inevitable nihilist ending.


Well, nothing does matter. We are here for a finite time. Live your life, be good, and live like it’s your only life. Because it is.

You don’t need a god to tell you that
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:39 am to
Somebody's skipped Archeology 201 again
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7756 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:40 am to
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If there is no God, then you have nothing to complain about.


Such a lazy argument. I don't need "God" to feel empathy. Suffering, pain, loss is something every human has experienced at some point in their life. It doesn't take the existence of a sky fairy to make it matter to me.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:41 am to
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I’m sorry, but I don’t buy into the “well god must’ve done it” theory either if the math says it’s almost impossible. The math and science certainly aren’t on the side that says that god, heaven, and his creating earth are possible but plenty of folks believe that as well.



Yep.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36582 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:42 am to
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. I need an example of a change of kind. Example feline kind: house cat, Tiger, lion, mountain lion.


As I already said, evolution doesn't say one "kind" changes to another, period. Much less so in observable time frame. So you repeatedly asking for it is stupid and proves nothing.

Your asking for an example of something that evolution doesn't even claim exists.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:45 am
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7277 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:44 am to
What a great coincidence that the "science" that "disproves" God can never be tested, experimented, proven.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:44 am to
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What? Are you saying a house cat, a tiger, a lion, a mountain lion suggest a 'change of kind' but New Zealand wrens, African broadbills, reed warblers, mockingbirds, and cardinals don't? Or do you want the delineation of an entire clade?


I think he's saying that they're all cats and therefore don't suggest a kind of change. He's wanting an example of "Ape-like being X" turned into humans.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:45 am to
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What a great coincidence that the "science" that "disproves" God


Is this what you think evolution is?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36496 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:45 am to
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What a great coincidence that the "science" that "disproves" God can never be tested, experimented, proven.


You’re a fricking flat earther

The amount of crossover between flat earth freaks and religious nuts is honesty hilarious
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:46 am
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:45 am to
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Such a lazy argument. I don't need "God" to feel empathy. Suffering, pain, loss is something every human has experienced at some point in their life. It doesn't take the existence of a sky fairy to make it matter to me.


Or optimism, hope, happiness, etc.

Your limbic system, endocrine system and both of their hormones and neurotransmitters do that for you.

The bigger question to me is....why? Why this apparatus? Why the emotion? Why this design of human experience?

I need God to answer. May not be the one taught in Christianity. May not be just one. But it ain't Darwin. He did a great job explaining the longitudinal tracing of humans but did not explain the cross-section of human experience and why.

Sensing Darwin did not dance on tables enough.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84239 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:46 am to
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that evolution doesn't even claim exists.
This is the most frustrating aspect of the evolution deniers. I swear some of them think we believe an animal changes it's nature during its lifetime


For the non-believers, please google "whale legs".
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7277 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:46 am to
I used to be like you. Atheist. Mocking. Outspoken.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55637 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:47 am to
In a room where everyone is obviously the smartest person, how can we tell?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
123612 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:47 am to
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Give me one example then. Please.
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Give me one example then. Please.


The peppered moth is an easy, and one of the most famous examples.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36496 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:48 am to
And then you had a traumatic brain injury and the rest is history… poor guy….
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:50 am to
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The peppered moth is an easy, and one of the most famous examples.



He's just going to tell you that they're still moths.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7277 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:50 am to
He knew it had to be this way. You'll never be comfortable with your atheism. You'll continue to have to speak out. Your argument is not really with us. In the end, it makes it more real when you realize that Jesus Christ is the logical choice. He knew it had to be this way. And the Pauls are more outspoken having been Sauls before. We will see for you. Keep looking.
Posted by CoyoteSong
Colorado
Member since Aug 2021
2603 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:50 am to
So far for my change of kind question I have been given:

A passerine bird becoming a passerine bird.
An antelope becoming an antelope.

Yeah, that is not a change of kind.

Any evolution religion people care to give another example?
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:51 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
33561 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:51 am to
My question still stands. I was being coy (or I guess flippant. Or jocular. Or Koi Boi) re defined term. So, what is modern Christianity?

Eta: and touché re the grammar. Here’s a rarity on TD: you nailed me on that one.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37688 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:51 am to
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I think he's saying that they're all cats and therefore don't suggest a kind of change. He's wanting an example of "Ape-like being X" turned into humans.



So he wants me to talk about Australopithecus all day?
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