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How did common German people re assimilate in Europe after WW2?

Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:07 am
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:07 am
The other thread about worst cultures made me think about this. People always talk about what happened to the leaders of Nazi Germany but what about the common folk? They'd been living in that society for over a decade and then suddenly it was gone and being reconfigured by the Allies. Were German people shunned for a long time after this by other nations? Was there little issue with putting the past behind each other? Also if anyone has any good documentary recommendations on this topic I'd be interested...
Posted by lostzeppelin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:11 am to
East Germany had it worse, still have a stigma with some
Posted by Commandeaux
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:13 am to
Do people re assimilate after being in a cult?
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:13 am to
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East Germany had it worse, still have a stigma with some


Yeah East Germany was a different animal for sure with how much restriction and control the Soviet's placed on them. I'm more specifically referring to West Germany which obviously was allowed much more autonomy. I'm just curious how the people interacted with the rest of the world in the time right after.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:14 am to
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Were German people shunned for a long time after this by other nations?
Depends on where in Germany they were:



The Russians were muthafrickas to them, the French less so, us (the US) and the UK were pretty human(e). to them.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:15 am to
How much interaction did they even have with the rest of the world?

I would imagine after being hammered for the second time in 25 years they realized they didn't have much choice than to accept whatever was doled out upon them and were probably too busy trying to rebuild their country to do much else anyway.

The guilt they still carry is part of the reason Merkel is letting the country be completely transformed today.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 11:18 am
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:17 am to
Interesting topic for sure.

A lot of them moved out of Germany to start anew and changed their names to get rid of the stigma. I know my family roots did so on my paternal grandmother's side of the family although they were also half Russian.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:18 am to
they rebuilt their country into an economic power
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:22 am to
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Was there little issue with putting the past behind each other?


Yeah, it was a pretty big fricking issue:



Honestly, the Berlin Wall is all the proof we need that Communists should never stop apologizing for their atrocities. Even taking the ideology out of it, if you were an alien observing that everyone from Spot B was dying (quite literally) to get over to Spot A, and 20 years before they were all one people, you’d conclude Spot A was morally superior.
Posted by GetBackToWork
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:25 am to
Fear of the rising Soviet Union helped move past the stain of WWII. West Germany was our final stop to the Iron Curtain and where the two sides, Nato and Warsaw Pact, faced off for nearly 50 years.

Without that spectacle, everyone would have had more time on their hands to think about Germany's role in causing such loss and destruction.
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:28 am to
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Without that spectacle, everyone would have had more time on their hands to think about Germany's role in causing such loss and destruction.



Yeah it just seems like in everything I've learned the issues that Germany (West Germany) had with the countries that fought for the Allies in WW2 were non existent outside of Russia. I wonder if the people of France resented them for a long time over what happened.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:41 am to
Also we need to keep in mind that the Western Front was a much more gentlemanly war than the Eastern Front was. Save for the Jews and Communists, the Nazis weren’t doing mass atrocities across France. The Nazis at least thought of the French and Dutch as humans deserving to be treated with some respect.

The Eastern Front was a completely different ball game. Villages razed nonstop, mass rape and murder, mass starvation on both sides, literal crucifixions, babies brains being bashed in being the standard, and pretty much any attrocity that you can imagine. The Germans better thank their lucky balls that the other allies arrived in Berlin around the same Russians, because they’d have followed the same fate as Nanking if the Russians arrived a month before everyone else.

An underrated place to travel back in time would be one month before Berlin fell. That would be interesting, since there was no where to go and everyone thought that they’d all be raped and killed in a month. It’s as close as a major modern city got to experience some sort of melancholic apocalypse slowly inching its way towards them. What happened to Berlin was the average Berliner’s most optimistic Best Case Scenario.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 11:42 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:48 am to
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I wonder if the people of France resented them for a long time over what happened.


I mean they did... but then they look over at Russia and realize it could have been much, much, much worse. French soldiers marching into Berlin it was no where near as personal as it was for a Russian. A French guy likely still had his house in tact, while the Russian literally lost everything and almost certainly lost loved ones to the war. The Frenchman probably pillaged a bit to get revenge, but I don’t think he ever considered bashing a baby’s head in and then crucifying the mother that he just raped. It was on a completely different level.
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:50 am to
We needed the Germans on our side to oppose the Soviet Union, so we played nice with them (at least the ones we had control over). Besides, many were homeless, starving, etc. so we took care of them. We also learned a lesson from the first war - if you kick the ever living shite out of them while they are down, they can rise up stronger than ever.

As far as the civilians in the United States, I don't know. Millions of Americans are of German heritage, but they may have resolved that with "my Germans are not those Germans."

Remember what Churchill said in his history of the Second World War:

“In War: Resolution,
In Defeat: Defiance,
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will.”
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 11:52 am
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:51 am to
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I'm just curious how the people interacted with the rest of the world in the time right after.



Ny family went to west germany circa 1984. I was young, but i remember being very welcomed everywhere. From our hosts (friends of the family) to restaurants and other public places.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:51 am to
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An underrated place to travel back in time would be one month before Berlin fell


Would probably be last on my places of wanting to time travel to.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:51 am to
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The other thread about worst cultures made me think about this. People always talk about what happened to the leaders of Nazi Germany but what about the common folk? They'd been living in that society for over a decade and then suddenly it was gone and being reconfigured by the Allies. Were German people shunned for a long time after this by other nations? Was there little issue with putting the past behind each other? Also if anyone has any good documentary recommendations on this topic I'd be interested...


An estimated 500K ethnic Germans were slaughtered in the years after WWII.

Flight and Expulsion of ethnic Germans from 1944 to 1950
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 11:52 am
Posted by Tommy Patel
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:52 am to
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Do people re assimilate after being in a cult?




theres a world of difference between a NAZI and the rest of the German People......It was not a 100% kool-aid drinking nation....but the struggle before,during and after the war was real
Posted by sta4ever
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:52 am to
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The guilt they still carry is part of the reason Merkel is letting the country be completely transformed today.


Which is completely ruining Germany. It’s crazy but pretty cool at the same time that WWII still has effects today
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:55 am to
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Flight and Expulsion of ethnic Germans from 1946 to 1950


My wife's (no pics) grandparents were Swabian Germans who lived in Yugoslavia long before the war. They ended up in Tito's concentration camps for two years after the war for no other reason than their German heritage.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 11:59 am
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