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re: How did 246 ‘fully vaccinated’ people still get COVID-19?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:58 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:58 am to tgrbaitn08
Who claimed its 100% effective?
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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a lot more than 5000 people have been vaccinated
Right from the article in the OP....
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People should keep in mind that the 246 breakthrough cases occurred among the more than 1.8 million Michiganders who are fully vaccinated, he said.
“That breaks down to 0.0144% of those who have gotten the vaccine have come down with a breakthrough infection,” Thomas said. “So that means that the vaccine is 99.99% effective in preventing infection.”
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:58 am to AcetylCoA
quote:It is small, but it is not a good look.
Because of Math? Also 3 deaths seem small right?
3/246 = 1.2% CFR. That's very close to the overall CFR.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:58 am to AcetylCoA
1.2% death rate among vaccinated people. Same death rate or even higher than pre-vaccine. hmmm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:59 am to tgrbaitn08
246 out of how many million? Seriously, does this number even approach 0.01%?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:59 am to AcetylCoA
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Because of Math? Also 3 deaths seem small right?
I think I read over 2 million people have been fully vaccinated in Michigan.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:00 am to TheAlmightySmash
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1.2% death rate among vaccinated people. Same death rate or even higher than pre-vaccine. hmmm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:01 am to geauxpurple
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The vaccines don't claim to be 100% effective
If I recall the J&J vaccine is only in the neighborhood of 75% effective. While the Pfizer and Moderna are in the 95-98% range.
Very, very good at protecting people, but not magic bullet.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:01 am to fargobison
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People should keep in mind that the 246 breakthrough cases occurred among the more than 1.8 million Michiganders who are fully vaccinated, he said.
“That breaks down to 0.0144% of those who have gotten the vaccine have come down with a breakthrough infection,” Thomas said. “So that means that the vaccine is 99.99% effective in preventing infection.”
This is making the assumption that 100% of fully vaccinated people have been exposed to COVID. And there's no way to know how many have actually been exposed since being vaccinated.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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you are doing the thing that you call out other for again Mike
Pretty consistent in my opposition to making this a religious fervor on one side or the other. Truth is, I may yet get the vaccine, and I may not, but I would like to have ALL the information in front of me before I pull the trigger. I would think that most people would as well, but it seems as if this has taken legs as a religious adherence more than just a vaccine, most probably because those who’ve already gotten it have bought into it and don’t want to hear anything to bring it into question.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:01 am to Mike da Tigah
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The vaccine faithful won’t like this.
you stick to your masks. I'm getting a vaccine.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:02 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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It is small, but it is not a good look.
3/246 = 1.2% CFR. That's very close to the overall CFR.
Seems to lend credence to the idea these infections were before full vaccination.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:03 am to tgrbaitn08
Whitmers fault!
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:03 am to slackster
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It’s also possible (likely) these are JNJ vaccines which are only 72% effective.
Some people are immunosupressed, when you are looking at hunderds of people out of millions it is something you have to consider. Vaccine effectiveness hasn't really been studied in this group.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:03 am to Mike da Tigah
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Pretty consistent in my opposition to making this a religious fervor on one side or the other.
yeah that post definitely demonstrated that consistency quote:
but I would like to have ALL the information in front of me before I pull the trigger.
you seem to gravitate towards misleading or pure fear mongering information, like the OP
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:03 am to Mike da Tigah
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Truth is, I may yet get the vaccine, and I may not, but I would like to have ALL the information in front of me before I pull the trigger.
I don’t believe you.
When are you going to feel like that’s happened? When will you have all of the information? You sound like you’re waiting for enough negative news to come out to justify the decision you’ve already made.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:04 am to goofball
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you stick to your masks. I'm getting a vaccine.
You will still have to wear your mask when told to you sheep....the vaccine doesnt give you a get out of mask jail free card
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:04 am to Salmon
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yeah that post definitely demonstrated that consistency
Sure did. I haven’t joined the religion yet because I’m not sure I’m a believer.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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if it's 95% effective that means 5% (or 1 in 20) can still get infected. 246 per 5000 people vaccinated is right at that 5%
Efficacy does not equal effectiveness FYI.
Way less than 1 in 20 are at risk of COVID after receiving the vaccines.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:06 am to Mike da Tigah
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I haven’t joined the religion yet because I’m not sure I’m a believer.
you only seek affirmation
you are a believer
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