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re: How can our schools allow kids to move on/graduate?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:56 am to LSU316
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:56 am to LSU316
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It is going to be brutal for a state like LA that already does a shitty job at public education even in the best of circumstances....BUT we should listen to all these wingnuts that say it doesn't matter.
Well my opinion is based in a strong belief that the education system really is doing a shitty job so missing 1/4 of the school year one time isn't going to make a student who would have succeeded suddenly fail. The schools were already failing most of these students anyway.
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:57 am to LSU316
the feds tie the hands of the state. disability checks creating IEPs and all the red tape that goes with them are not LA's fault
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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the feds tie the hands of the state. disability checks creating IEPs and all the red tape that goes with them are not LA's fault
OK so replace "the state" with government in general.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah if you're from a home that isn't able to do distance learning, i can only imagine the negative impact this will have
Judging from what my kids are doing for e-learning(7th and 10th grades), the ones without access aren't missing much. It's just busy work that mostly just exercises their brain. Neither have been introduced anything new. They send them what is supposed to be work for the week on Monday. My 7th grade daughter has finished her's by lunch every Monday so far.
That said, our district set up a way for kids without computers at home to come to the school and check out Chromebooks. I even volunteered to deliver some to homes that couldn't get to their school.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 8:59 am to LSU316
oh well then i agree
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:01 am to tduecen
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Testing is a 3 week process and then the last 2 weeks of school is filler stuff. As I've stated, students missed about 4 weeks of new material. Not sure where some of y'all are getting the numbers.
Even if they would have went back, the testing had already been cancelled so it would have been 5 weeks of filler crap. Teachers didn’t have a plan for the time they would have been doing testing.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:01 am to Sneaky__Sally
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2nd half of senior years didn't have much going on anyway.
I don’t care about seniors. But I’ve been sitting here doing fundamental math with my 8 year old that pretty damn important
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:04 am to tduecen
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Testing is a 3 week process and then the last 2 weeks of school is filler stuff. As I've stated, students missed about 4 weeks of new material. Not sure where some of y'all are getting the numbers.
The reason the last two weeks is filler stuff is that the students and teachers are burned out from testing and a long semester.
None of that would be the case if they went back this May.
It would be a golden opportunity to do so many things you don't normally get to do. How about doing a high level review of things that will be important next year? How about spending some time doing intervention with small groups you know struggled with certain things all year? How about teaching them basics of money management? Maybe sharing some classic literature you love with them? Maybe get them to write a little book. Maybe have them read out loud to each other?
Nah, frick all that. Let's just collect a check and chill out since thats all we normally do in May anyway.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:06 am to uway
Well part of reason it is filler is because the curriculum is supposed to be completed by testing time. So therefore if you've done what you need the only material you have to teach is stuff for the next year. Some teachers don't like to do that, some do...
Now had we gone back without testing, then things could have been different. There would be a lot of things that could be done. However, this is not a teachers call, it is an administrative call.
Now had we gone back without testing, then things could have been different. There would be a lot of things that could be done. However, this is not a teachers call, it is an administrative call.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:06 am to elprez00
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2nd half of senior years didn't have much going on anyway.
I don’t care about seniors. But I’ve been sitting here doing fundamental math with my 8 year old that pretty damn important
sure but that is something that can be made up. Its going to require adjustment to the schedule next year, but certainly isn't going to hurt your student's educational prospects long term.
I just don't really buy the idea that students ability / readiness to move on will be significantly impacted due to missing a few weeks of this semester.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:08 am to Sneaky__Sally
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but that is something that can be made up. Its going to require adjustment to the schedule next year
so are we going to do school 2-3 weeks early and have a hunger games-like competition to see who fails so they can be properly placed?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Am I supposed to respond to such an absurd statement in some way?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:10 am to tduecen
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Well part of reason it is filler is because the curriculum is supposed to be completed by testing time. So therefore if you've done what you need the only material you have to teach is stuff for the next year. Some teachers don't like to do that, some do...
Who cares. They're professional educators and they can't profitably use that time?
I know the answer is a combination of "no they can't" and "no they don't want to", but that to me negates any and all arguments that teachers are underpaid or undervalued and proves the system is a sham.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:11 am to Sneaky__Sally
if we are delaying things until "next year", then how do we determine where to place kids?
you're suggesting we "make it up", so what do we do? have a truncated 2-4 week "make up" period and then use that to determine who passes and fails, leading immediately into the next school year?
you're suggesting we "make it up", so what do we do? have a truncated 2-4 week "make up" period and then use that to determine who passes and fails, leading immediately into the next school year?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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as we have had uneven teaching efforts varying by parish to parish
This exists all the time with or without states of emergency.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
At the “serious” schools the seniors were done already for all practical purposes. ACT scores were in. College applications with transcripts had been sent and most kids had college acceptance letters in hand. The “serious” schools also had remote learning up and running pretty quickly and are still teaching and testing. I don’t think, long term, this gap will have serious consequences to any age/grade. If school doesn’t come back in the fall? Then it starts becoming an issue.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we are delaying things until "next year", then how do we determine where to place kids?
you're suggesting we "make it up", so what do we do? have a truncated 2-4 week "make up" period and then use that to determine who passes and fails, leading immediately into the next school year?
I'm saying you take the kids who moved up a grade, look at the schedule and say " what from these 3 weeks or whatever is vital as a building block" (think math). If something wasn't vital as a building block - those students will probably have forgotten about it anyway. This will need to be looked at on a grade by grade basis by administrators over the summer.
Ok, so we need to schedule in 10 extra hours of last years math review. What can we cut to help fit that in. Well maybe we only read 2 books instead of 3 this year and do it this way. Those sort of things. Cut back on free periods for the first month for older students, etc.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:14 am to Rouge
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School districts across Louisiana have had policies in place that mandates all Spanish-speaking students and many other minorities with certain qualities cannot fail for years.
policies and mandates imply that all of these (I have no idea what I was saying here....stupid text-to-speech) that you are making are in writing. I look forward to seeing links of these policies that you will provide in short order.
Almost any teacher here can confirm this. It's an unwritten rule and if you refuse to believe what I'm telling you, your ignorance is bliss. It's happening and as a conservative husband of a teacher who is forced to abide by this rule, it pisses me off because when I was in school I had to bust arse to get good grades and nowadays certain students fail tests but still pass the grade. It's infuriating. I'm telling you - the state of the education system in Louisiana is comical and straight out of a movie except it's real.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
For highschool seniors? This wont effect them as they were already set on their paths.
For the younger kids. They missed out on standardized testing and a few more weeks of math and english that will repeat.
Really the only ones this sucked for are highschool kids with unequally weighted quarters.
For the younger kids. They missed out on standardized testing and a few more weeks of math and english that will repeat.
Really the only ones this sucked for are highschool kids with unequally weighted quarters.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:14 am to MarcusQuinn
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The “serious” schools also had remote learning up and running pretty quickly
Calcasieu Parish did not allow this and we have a few "serious" schools
we did it b/c it wouldn't be equitable
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