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re: How can European cars be so nice while at the same time require so much maintenance?

Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70469 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:11 pm to
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Audi


My MIL has one and at first I was like wow this is nice.

She has dumped over 15k in repairs the past 3 years. The car is 5 years old with 50k miles
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:13 pm to
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Case in point, most VAG and Mercedes products have a relay feature that automatically rolls down the window a quarter of an inch or so when you open the door, then rolls it back up when you close it.



This isn't anything new. They do this so the doors are easier to close by relieving pressure. Weatherstrip would last longer if the windows never opened.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:17 pm to
Years ago I had an E46 BMW. At 70K it needed the entire cooling system replaced. In doing some research I found this was normal.

Since they are so common and this was essentially "normal" maintenance the parts really were not so expensive so I just did it myself in an afternoon.

However, the average owner of these is going to take it to a shop or the dealer and get bent over for a few thousand to do this work.

If any domestic consistently needed it's cooling system replaced at 70K they would be roasted and rightfully so, however Beemers get a pass.

eta-The expansion tank (BMW calls it something else) is a terrible design. It's pressurized yet has square corners which leads to failures. When it fails of course you lose your coolant and you overheat the engine. And when you overheat a BMW engine you usually need a new engine.

This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Cwar11
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2010
2291 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:19 pm to
My wife’s Volvo S90 has 16,000 miles on it & needs new brake pads & they told her it’s not covered under warranty, and that it’s going to be just under $1000 to replace them.
I can’t wait for them to tell me it’s not covered under warranty. I’ve highlighted it in the owners manual for them regarding the coverage.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:29 pm to
Because of the metric system.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6825 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:35 pm to
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The expansion tank (BMW calls it something else) is a terrible design. It's pressurized yet has square corners which leads to failures. When it fails of course you lose your coolant and you overheat the engine. And when you overheat a BMW engine you usually need a new engine.


I had an E39 with the 2.8 I6 and had to replace the coolant system twice. Each time was that tank exploding. That car lasted 200k miles but left me on the side of the road 3 times and I couldn’t justify keeping it.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118270 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:41 pm to
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Case in point, most VAG and Mercedes products have a relay feature that automatically rolls down the window a quarter of an inch or so when you open the door, then rolls it back up when you close it.



My car has this. I always thought it was to reduce the amount of air pressure in the car when you close the door to keep the window from getting jarred and knocked around over and over.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
7251 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 2:45 pm to
The maintenance issues are somewhat exaggerated for the BMW, Mercedes and Audi brands. The cost of repairs tend to be higher, but so are Lexus repairs compared to others.
Posted by MiDixon Yermouth
Member since Sep 2018
295 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:06 pm to
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Is there a current production European car that approaches Japanese reliability?




The Porsche 911 is the single most dependable car made.

if Porsche would not have entered the SUV market it would be the most reliable car brand on the road. This year, after a three year actual driving survey, J.D. Power rated Lexus most reliable... Porsche and Toyota tied for second. As a former owner I can vouch for years of flawless reliability...and at world class performance specs. Makes the relative performance of Corvette a virtual Yugo.

LINK
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted by MiDixon Yermouth
Member since Sep 2018
295 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:11 pm to
Not only is the Porsche 911 the most dependable car on the road, when bought as a late model used car with remaining warranty, considering their amazing resale value they may one of, if not the single cheapest car to own as well. When all was said and done, it was by far the least I'd ever had to spend on a car for sure.

Taking how much I paid when I bought the car, plus what I spent during the years I drove it (except for gasoline), then subtract the amount I received at re-sale, the total out-of-pocket cost of ownership of the actual car, even with depreciation and adding 32,000 miles to the odometer, what it cost me to own and drive the car for three and a half years averages out to just a little over $50 per month.... I consider that almost free compared to other cars I've had. I did pay $120 a month for insurance but that was also a pleasant surprise compared to the two dozen or so other cars I've owned.

Another J.D. Power Most Dependable Car Brand Ramkings from a few months ago:

LINK
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
3332 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:32 pm to
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My car has this. I always thought it was to reduce the amount of air pressure in the car when you close the door to keep the window from getting jarred and knocked around over and over.

Usually see this on cars with frameless windows. When the door opens the window drops so it doesn't catch on the seal. When the door is closed it pushes back up into the seal for a tight fit.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:16 pm to
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maintenance issues

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Audi

They exist. Audi is a glorified VW, after all.

That said, all German cars have significantly dropped from their previous quality levels, in order to sell more units.

RE Porsche. Lest y'all forget, they were bankrupt not too long ago.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
14475 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:03 pm to
How can Women be so nice while at the same time require so much maintenance?
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2003
3103 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:05 pm to
Is my Jaguar still European or did Brexit change its status?
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:12 pm to
It's from the island.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:26 pm to
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Is my Jaguar still European or did Brexit change its status?


I may have some disconcerting news for you. It involves India.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:28 pm to
It's a former Commonwealth Tata
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111639 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:30 pm to
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It has nothing to do with BWM per se it is the fact that I6 engines by their design have both primary and secondary balance. The I6 is the most compact engine layout that has both. I12s are better but your hood would have to be long enough to land plans on.



I think it just has to do with them being one of the last mass market car manufacturers to utilize them. It’s sad, they’ve all but ditched them. The three series with the little inline six and rear wheel drive was such a lovely car to drive, despite its reputation as the official 30k millionaire vehicle.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103848 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:31 pm to
Japanese cars are reliable because they are relatively simple. European cars have cutting edge technology and luxury/handling. I think to have those things it just requires a lot of upkeep
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:32 pm to
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It's a former Commonwealth Tata


Have you heard about their roadster? The Tata TT?
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