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re: How best to support your country in a trade war?

Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:23 am to
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
1726 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:23 am to
You have a very long wait ahead of you
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11184 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:31 am to
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You seem angry in your posts.
A thing to keep in mind is that not all jobs need to pay a livable wage and not all workers need to make a livable wage.


I agree, not all jobs need to pay a livable wage. There should be no minimum wage and their should be NO public assistance to anyone who is physically capable of doing the most undemanding and brainless job. If a person wants to live under a bridge and eat out of garbage cans that is their choice as a free person to make. If a business can find enough teens and retired folks who do not need as much income to make their nut both parties should be free to agree to whatever terms works for them. However, if you are an employer and you can't find enough people with little or no income needs to do what you do you should be fully expected to pay for the entire cost of your employers production from the revenue your business drives....there should be NO subsidy from the taxpayer.

There should also be NO corporate tax of any kind. Corporations do not pay taxes, consumers of the goods and services corporations produce pay ALL of the taxes inherent in the price of those goods and services. No one thinks that consumers do not pay the price of raw materials but most people sincerely think corporations do not pass the costs of taxation onto consumers.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:34 am to
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Do you boycott the import, and only pay for the domestic product, or do you pay and support the demand for the import so that your country can collect the tariff revenue?


How about buying imported brands from countries who we have not placed tariffs on?

For example, Brazilian coffee vs Colombian coffee.
Posted by Cleary Rebels
Member since Oct 2024
2899 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:47 am to
Yeah, just continue to take it up the arse on trade. USA is everyone’s bitch when it comes to trade.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
25983 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:03 am to
It’s our patriotic duty to pay these taxes to our own government. If we are patriotic enough, and a little lucky, the government will reduce the tax burden of the richest among us, and we can even pay more.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
2639 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:37 am to
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The dollar is already up against most foreign currencies. The Dow is down for tomorrow's futures.


The U.S. Dollar has been up for about 5 years now. The gap has increased but let’s not pretend it was lagging.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
70548 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:37 am to
I don’t know what the end result will be, but I do love all the people flipping out right now

“Trump is going to raise prices!!” …. Uh as opposed to what has been happening the past 4 and a half years?

I’m willing to give this a shot and see where it lands.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 7:38 am
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34705 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:58 am to
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How best to support your country in a trade war?


Don't vote for leaders who initiate unnecessary trade wars...
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:58 am to
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I’m willing to give this a shot and see where it lands

Same here. I was skeptical at first but I have an open mind.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6844 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:06 am to
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For example, Brazilian coffee vs Colombian coffe


Brazilian coffee, by and large, sucks.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
70548 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:12 am to
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Don't vote for leaders who initiate unnecessary trade wars...


And the alternative was to vote for the candidate who, at the very least, exponentially enlarged the current inflation crisis?

This is also pretending anyone is a single voter issue on trade policy, which might represent 0.00001% of the population.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
851 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:13 am to
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quote:
the tariffs are a negotiation tactic that likely won't be in place long with Canada and Mexico.


Canada and Mexico’s economies need the US far more than the US needs them.


This is correct. The Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso are both collapsing vs the USD this morning. We will effectively pay nothing for the tariffs because of that, but their consumers will pay dearly because both import so much. CA and MX will have to blink.

For those who do not understand the Canadian government, Trudeau has dissolved parliament, resigned as his party's leader, and effectively rules by fiat until elections in November. He could end this now by recalling parliament, which would immediately vote to remove him and schedule elections faster, but he won't because he is truly a dictator from now until November. I suspect T$ is trying to force him to recall parliament with the tariffs.

This is what happens when you have a POTUS who actually understands economics and negotiation instead of a POTUS who lives in a fantasy world while letting non-US interests and SJWs run the country to fit their own deluded worldviews.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39113 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:50 am to
Buy local. The government doesn't need any more money.
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
11168 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:22 am to
I buy American every chance I get.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6502 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:24 am to
When Chuck Grassley starts whining about the effect on midwest farmers, Trumps needs to not bail them out this time. While he's going after waste, Trump should get rid of the corn based ethanol scam as well. Big agriculture loves that free money too.

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“Total American agricultural exports to China were $24 billion in 2014 and fell to $9.1 billion last year, according to the American Farm Bureau.” In 2018, U.S. farmers’ soybean exports to China declined by 75%, according to the U.S. International Trade Commission.


Forbes - Trump Tariff Aid To Farmers Cost More Than U.S. Nuclear Forces

Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
851 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:43 am to
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“Total American agricultural exports to China were $24 billion in 2014 and fell to $9.1 billion last year, according to the American Farm Bureau.” In 2018, U.S. farmers’ soybean exports to China declined by 75%, according to the U.S. International Trade Commission.




Typical lack of context to spin an over-simplified stat to influence over-simplified minds. A complex economic dance was taking place around this time.

China created its strategic grain reserve management entity even as it was desperately trying to manipulate its currency against the USD (success was mixed at best, and the loss of purchasing power was one reason for reduced US imports). At the same time, China itself enacted tariffs on US agricultural imports, further cutting imports, while manipulating the price of rice such that pricing for China-sourced rice was now on par with US rice. Here's a link to a USDA report that will challenge your precious beliefs, but I doubt any of you on the left are concerned with facts.

Note that this is only one piece of a very complex puzzle. The Forbes author is engaging in brazen spin by cherry-picking budget line items to compare to, and then directly naming it "Trump Aid" when in fact approval of the tariff aid was far from solely up to POTUS.

Be better. Think more. Bleet less. Or accept your fate as a sheep quietly. It's your choice.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8627 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:49 am to
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The beauty is just indescribable.


Did you even try?
Posted by WillieD
Lafayette/BR
Member since Apr 2014
2573 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:52 am to
No shite
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6502 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:54 am to
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Typical lack of context to spin an over-simplified stat to influence over-simplified minds. A complex economic dance was taking place around this time.

That this money was allocated, budgeted and spent is not in dispute. Justify it any way you wish, I can tell you've never been responsible for a budget running a business.

Your ad hominem auto reflex also tells me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Good luck paying more for basic products this year and enjoy the inflation.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
68886 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:02 am to
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